Humboldt growers being charged with environmental crimes

[hotrodharley]

https://cannabis.net/blog/news/what-humboldt-police-learned-from-al-capone

"The violations are glaring. Pot growers steal water, illegally cut down and clear forested areas, build unpermitted greenhouses and dump massive amounts of fertilizer on their crops, police say. Now growers find themselves targeted by cops accompanied by code inspectors. While criminal cases can take months or years to wend their way through the court system, civil violations are far easier to prove.

The county has already seen progress in approaching the growers for environmental offenses instead of criminal offenses.

Using environmental and business-regulation laws to fight these operations has local lawmakers hopeful. But even with better tools at hand, they face the daunting and possibly insurmountable challenge of better-funded growers.

The new county rules, authorized by a broader statewide law, require growers to register industrial-scale cannabis operations and to comply with basic environmental regulations, the same kinds of rules that conventional farmers or orchards have to follow.

It is a pretty crafty move and helps the environment. Do you remember how the FEDS got Al Capone? It wasn’t a murder charge or racketeering charge; it was income tax evasion. They were able to get Capone’s accountant to talk and they put him away for income tax evasion. He later died in prison due to syphilis.

The Humboldt sheriffs can’t get criminal charges to stick so they are bringing in the environmental police to give out hefty fines that don’t have to go before a judge.

You didn't get busted for illegal weed, you got busted for illegal water usage and removing trees. Pay up.

 

[ltecato]

Good. No excuse for trashing the environment.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i agree. if you live in a legal place, you have to follow the rules, or pay the price if you get caught. if you are building un-permitted buildings, the building inspectors will catch you and make you rebuild them to code if they aren't already, or just remove them altogether if they aren't permitted where you put it.
stealing water is stealing. especially in a place like california where it's already being piped in in most places.
using too many chemicals is just wrong from every view point. it's bad for the environment, and bad for the people who will end up buying it.
if you want to be a farmer, you have to pay the overhead, just like every other farmer does, and take the responsibilities to the environment that most of them take voluntarily.

this should NOT be a way for the authorities to harass people who are following the rules, but, if they're following the rules, there will be nothing to get written up for.......

 

[hotrodharley]

i agree. if you live in a legal place, you have to follow the rules, or pay the price if you get caught. if you are building un-permitted buildings, the building inspectors will catch you and make you rebuild them to code if they aren't already, or just remove them altogether if they aren't permitted where you put it.
stealing water is stealing. especially in a place like california where it's already being piped in in most places.
using too many chemicals is just wrong from every view point. it's bad for the environment, and bad for the people who will end up buying it.
if you want to be a farmer, you have to pay the overhead, just like every other farmer does, and take the responsibilities to the environment that most of them take voluntarily.

this should NOT be a way for the authorities to harass people who are following the rules, but, if they're following the rules, there will be nothing to get written up for.......

I was on a wildfire hotshot crew for a few years. You wouldn't believe some of the guerilla camps. Trash. Chem jugs. Disgusting and then all guerilla growers were blamed. Worst i ever did was use Miracle Gro.

 

[Old Thcool]

I was on a wildfire hotshot crew for a few years. You wouldn't believe some of the guerilla camps. Trash. Chem jugs. Disgusting and then all guerilla growers were blamed. Worst i ever did was use Miracle Gro.

The hills in the Kamloops’s area of BC are covered in rotten tarps, sunshine mix bags, rotten sleeping bags, empty food cans, pearlite, broken bottles and a multitude of other pollutants due to guerilla grows.
It gives pot growers a bad rep. So does stealing power and dumping used solution down the drain. Indoor growers have their own set of dirty secrets.
Outdoor weed is yesterday’s news in BC now. The price for it dropped so bad that the only people that grow it use it for personal. The buyers only want indoor, as a result the outdoor troubles moved indoors.

 

[Bigworm4201982]

i agree. if you live in a legal place, you have to follow the rules, or pay the price if you get caught. if you are building un-permitted buildings, the building inspectors will catch you and make you rebuild them to code if they aren't already, or just remove them altogether if they aren't permitted where you put it.
stealing water is stealing. especially in a place like california where it's already being piped in in most places.
using too many chemicals is just wrong from every view point. it's bad for the environment, and bad for the people who will end up buying it.
if you want to be a farmer, you have to pay the overhead, just like every other farmer does, and take the responsibilities to the environment that most of them take voluntarily.

this should NOT be a way for the authorities to harass people who are following the rules, but, if they're following the rules, there will be nothing to get written up for.......

Agree with everything but the water part, who gave the state the right to own all the water? Thats bullshit.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Agree with everything but the water part, who gave the state the right to own all the water? Thats bullshit.

California has to pipe it in and pay for it...all the streams and rivers are already as "owned" as they can be, only so many farmers can draw from them for irrigation. agricultural property comes with water rights in most places, you know when you buy it if there's water on it, or if you'll have to pay for irrigation water.
the bottom line is too many people live in california, there isn't enough water to go around as it is. same in nevada, new mexico, etc. the state has to pay to pipe it in, and they have to control who uses it for what, so a bunch of people don't get screwed by a few

 

[Bigworm4201982]

California has to pipe it in and pay for it...all the streams and rivers are already as "owned" as they can be, only so many farmers can draw from them for irrigation. agricultural property comes with water rights in most places, you know when you buy it if there's water on it, or if you'll have to pay for irrigation water.
the bottom line is too many people live in california, there isn't enough water to go around as it is. same in nevada, new mexico, etc. the state has to pay to pipe it in, and they have to control who uses it for what, so a bunch of people don't get screwed by a few

Glad i live by one of the largest sources of fresh water.

 

[Old Thcool]

California has to pipe it in and pay for it...all the streams and rivers are already as "owned" as they can be, only so many farmers can draw from them for irrigation. agricultural property comes with water rights in most places, you know when you buy it if there's water on it, or if you'll have to pay for irrigation water.
the bottom line is too many people live in california, there isn't enough water to go around as it is. same in nevada, new mexico, etc. the state has to pay to pipe it in, and they have to control who uses it for what, so a bunch of people don't get screwed by a few

Correct me if I’m wrong here? Did not the state of California sell water rights in central and southern Cali to a select group of private investors? These investors/ title holders then sell the water stored in the ground back to the state? That was a very bad move!
They also monopolized irrigation on adjacent farmlands by denying them water during drought periods! Essentially holding them economic hostages.

 

[doublejj]

Correct me if I’m wrong here? Did not the state of California sell water rights in central and southern Cali to a select group of private investors? These investors/ title holders then sell the water stored in the ground back to the state? That was a very bad move!
They also monopolized irrigation on adjacent farmlands by denying them water during drought periods! Essentially holding them economic hostages.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Correct me if I’m wrong here? Did not the state of California sell water rights in central and southern Cali to a select group of private investors? These investors/ title holders then sell the water stored in the ground back to the state? That was a very bad move!
They also monopolized irrigation on adjacent farmlands by denying them water during drought periods! Essentially holding them economic hostages.

i honestly don't know, i don't live in California. have read articles about states having to buy water from as far as three states away, mostly western states, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas and Oklahoma all have Serious water problems, and are constantly arguing with each other over water rights

 

[Old Thcool]

i honestly don't know, i don't live in California. have read articles about states having to buy water from as far as three states away, mostly western states, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas and Oklahoma all have Serious water problems, and are constantly arguing with each other over water rights[/

California a water heist - a documentary on the theft of water from the people by the government and it being sold to private investors with ties to government- go figure! Grease the wheel of government!
Disclaimer- I recognize the bias of documentaries ! But the claims sound legit, I haven’t heard any contradiction to them.

 

[Old Thcool]

Sorry, I posted inside your post somehow

 

[RetiredGuerilla]

The hills in the Kamloops’s area of BC are covered in rotten tarps, sunshine mix bags, rotten sleeping bags, empty food cans, pearlite, broken bottles and a multitude of other pollutants due to guerilla grows.
It gives pot growers a bad rep. So does stealing power and dumping used solution down the drain. Indoor growers have their own set of dirty secrets.
Outdoor weed is yesterday’s news in BC now. The price for it dropped so bad that the only people that grow it use it for personal. The buyers only want indoor, as a result the outdoor troubles moved indoors.

I have grown plants under the sun that were fire ! You can maintain high quality by growing a small batch. Mine get daily care, moved indoors at night etc. Initiate flowering at the 3rd or 4th set of leaves. You can flower small plants in 2 gallon pots (if you live below the 37th) April - October just move them in for the night and inspect for pest then back out in the morning. I built a small indoor grow chamber out of old shop lights just in case a 2 or 3 day stretch of bad weather pops up. I like 8 hours of direct sunlight. I have seen many plants under 400 watt HPS lamps get tired and limp after 10 hours. My point is a plant can only stand so many hours per day of light before they need a nap.

 

[Old Thcool]

I have grown plants under the sun that were fire ! You can maintain high quality by growing a small batch. Mine get daily care, moved indoors at night etc. Initiate flowering at the 3rd or 4th set of leaves. You can flower small plants in 2 gallon pots (if you live below the 37th) April - October just move them in for the night and inspect for pest then back out in the morning. I built a small indoor grow chamber out of old shop lights just in case a 2 or 3 day stretch of bad weather pops up. I like 8 hours of direct sunlight. I have seen many plants under 400 watt HPS lamps get tired and limp after 10 hours. My point is a plant can only stand so many hours per day of light before they need a nap.

Sure! I agree completely, the best weed I’ve smoked was outdoor. The buyers are a finicky bunch, many around here aren’t feeding on outdoor crops these days. They are only interested in indoor. They may buy your stellar outdoor if you don’t mind getting raped in the wallet, despite the fact that the taste may be better, the bag appeal may be nicer and the smoke smoother! Not to mention a great stone.
But to be fair, many guys this far north have had creeks dry up, logging road closures due to fires, drought, deer, rippers and cops. Also the crop is harder to tend way out in the Bush soooo it only makes sense to buy a cheap house, gut it, load in the lite show and hire a couple stupid hippies to run the show for a pound or two of weed now and then.

 

[Rob Roy]

i agree. if you live in a legal place, you have to follow the rules, or pay the price if you get caught. if you are building un-permitted buildings, the building inspectors will catch you and make you rebuild them to code if they aren't already, or just remove them altogether if they aren't permitted where you put it.
stealing water is stealing. especially in a place like california where it's already being piped in in most places.
using too many chemicals is just wrong from every view point. it's bad for the environment, and bad for the people who will end up buying it.
if you want to be a farmer, you have to pay the overhead, just like every other farmer does, and take the responsibilities to the environment that most of them take voluntarily.

this should NOT be a way for the authorities to harass people who are following the rules, but, if they're following the rules, there will be nothing to get written up for.......

So, if people are supposed to "follow the rules" shouldn't they wait for the Federal Plantation masters to "allow" them to grow some weed ?

 

[mordynyc]

Good. No excuse for trashing the environment.

I trash my brain, less selfish. (I have no kids).