Two caves in one week. Trump is on a roll.

[dandyrandy]

Maybe your remaining hours would be better spent making an honest effort at improving life for those of us with more time remaining.

I also own some land. I've tried to bring back quail. Too many cats. Monarch butterflies are almost gone. 12 years ago I'd see thousands in the back field. Not now. Many things have changed in my life. Nobody listens. I'm still living with a very small carbon footprint. I feel sorry for my grandkids. Sad what we have become.

 

[dandyrandy]

off with his head

Here you go. Some good reading. Then Google The Devil We Know. It's a documentary. Just trying to help! And remember that all fast food or prepacked food usually has a coating on the wrapping. Remember Scotchgard?
Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) (conjugate base perfluorooctanoate) is a perfluorinated carboxylic acid produced and used worldwide as an industrial surfactant in chemical processes and as a material feedstock, and is known as an emerging health concern and subject of regulatory action and voluntary industrial phase-outs. PFOA is considered a surfactant, or fluorosurfactant, due to its chemical structure consisting of a perfluorinated, n-octyl "tail group" and a carboxylate "head group". The head group can be described as hydrophilic while the fluorocarbon tail is both hydrophobic and lipophobic; The tail group is inert and does not interact strongly with polar or non-polar chemical moieties; the head group is reactive and interacts strongly with polar groups, specifically water. The "tail" is hydrophobic due to being non-polar and lipophobic because fluorocarbons are less susceptible to the London dispersion force than hydrocarbons.[6]
Perfluorooctanoic acid
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Names
IUPAC name
pentadecafluorooctanoic acid
Other names
perfluorooctanoic acid, PFOA, C8, perfluorooctanoate, perfluorocaprylic acid, FC-143, F-n-octanoic acid, PFO
Identifiers
CAS Number


335-67-1

3D model (JSmol)


Interactive image

ChEBI


CHEBI:35549

ChEMBL


ChEMBL172988

ChemSpider


9180

ECHA InfoCard
100.005.817
EC Number
206-397-9
PubChem CID


9554

RTECS number
RH0781000
InChI

InChI=1S/C8HF15O2/c9-2(10,1(24)25)3(11,12)4(13,14)5(15,16)6(17,17(19,20)8(21,22)23/h(H,24,25)
Key: SNGREZUHAYWORS-UHFFFAOYSA-N
InChI=1/C8HF15O2/c9-2(10,1(24)25)3(11,12)4(13,14)5(15,16)6(17,17(19,20)8(21,22)23/h(H,24,25)
Key: SNGREZUHAYWORS-UHFFFAOYAQ

SMILES

FC(F)(C(F)(F)C(=O)O)C(F)(F)C(F)(F)C(F)(F)C(F)(F)C(F)(F)F

Properties
Chemical formula
C8HF15O2
Molar mass
414.07 g/mol
Appearance
colorless liquid
Density
1.8 g/cm3[1]
Melting point
40 to 50 °C (104 to 122 °F; 313 to 323 K)[1]
Boiling point
189 to 192 °C (372 to 378 °F; 462 to 465 K)[1]
Solubility in water
soluble, 9.5 g/L (PFO)[2]
Solubility in other solvents
polar organic
solvents
Acidity (pKa)
~0[3][4][5]
Hazards
Main hazards
Strong Acid, Causes Burns
Safety data sheet
[1]
R-phrases (outdated)
R22 R34 R52/53
S-phrases (outdated)
S26 S36/37/39 S45
NFPA 704

NFPA 704 four-colored diamond
0
3
0
Related compounds
Related compounds
Perfluorooctanesulfonic acid (PFOS), Perfluorononanoic acid (PFNA), Perfluorooctanesulfonamide (PFOSA), Trifluoroacetic acid (TFA)
Except where otherwise noted, data are given for materials in their standard state (at 25 °C [77 °F], 100 kPa).
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Infobox references


PFOA is used for several industrial applications, including carpeting, upholstery, apparel, floor wax, textiles, sealants, and cookware. PFOA serves as a surfactant in the emulsion polymerization of fluoropolymers and as a building block for the synthesis of perfluoroalkyl-substituted compounds, polymers, and polymeric materials. PFOA has been manufactured since the 1940s in industrial quantities.[7] It is also formed by the degradation of precursors such as some fluorotelomers. PFOA is used as a surfactant because it can lower the surface tension of water more than hydrocarbon surfactants while having exceptional stability due to having perfluoroalkyl tail group.[8][6] The stability of PFOA is desired industrially but is a cause of concern environmentally.

PFOA persists indefinitely in the environment. It is toxic.[citation needed] As it is a suspected carcinogen, various studies have been undertaken, but no link between PFOA and cancer emerged, although it remains suspect and under investigation.[9][10] Another study of workers living near a DuPont Teflon plant found an association between PFOA exposure and two kinds of cancer as well as four other diseases. PFOA been detected in the blood of more than 98% of the general US population in the low and sub-parts per billion (ppb) range, and levels are higher in chemical plant employees and surrounding subpopulations. How general populations are exposed to PFOA is not completely understood. PFOA has been detected in industrial waste, stain-resistant carpets, carpet-cleaning liquids, house dust, microwave popcorn bags, water, food, some cookware and PTFE products.

 

[Boatguy]

I am not a trump supporter. Maybe we have misunderstood eachother..... I am not reading all of that

 

[Unclebaldrick]

only Buck would legally threaten weed growers on a weed growing website.

Don't cry, little girl. The bad man didn't threaten you.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

you should contact trump with any and all evidence you have..
oops, too late, looks like he already shut it down, with zero arrests mind you..
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html
i love when half of the legal eligible voters couldn't be arsed to vote in the last presidential election, yet some how people believe that millions of illegals cared more about the democracy of the country they're living in that they some how managed to not only go out and steal someone's id and ssn, they even bothered to get to the polls on election night.. oh yeah, i forgot, of course every single one of those supposed 3 million trump talked about all voted for the same person, a democrat, even though the statistical odds of such a thing ever happening are zero, nada, nil..

Lol, they still think they shut down because they referred for indictments. No shit.

 

[squarepush3r]

Don't cry, little girl. The bad man didn't threaten you.

Orange man bad?

 

[abandonconflict]

I also own some land. I've tried to bring back quail. Too many cats. Monarch butterflies are almost gone. 12 years ago I'd see thousands in the back field. Not now. Many things have changed in my life. Nobody listens. I'm still living with a very small carbon footprint. I feel sorry for my grandkids. Sad what we have become.

I have not given up on the coral but it's looking bleak. People seem more concerned with walls. Just what the conservatives are trying to conserve is completely indecipherable to me. I'm about half your age but some of my generation does spend all our energy on things that matter.

 

[dandyrandy]

I am not a trump supporter. Maybe we have misunderstood eachother..... I am not reading all of that

Pardon moi. Short story is eat at home. Unless you have Scotchgard. The documentary is great. It is around Parkersburg WV. I was born around the area. My point is they only made one earth we have found. We have changed it drastically in the last 200 years. Especially the last 70. It's hard for people to see long term consequences. Especially when young. They talk about genx drugs. I worked for a drug company in maintenance that made them. No women were allowed in that part of the building. Lead in gas us another example. Take care of it. I've preached all if my life about it.

 

[Fogdog]

Clown fantasy must be wicked exciting to you but its boring the fuck out of me

You seem desperate

 

[Fogdog]

Only a leftist would stand up for non citizens while watching fellow Americans sink.

The shit you say.

SNAP, Unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education, Medicaid, and many other programs either help people get out of poverty or are a safety net if they fail. They are all left-side political policies. Yet those programs help just as many if not more people who live in red states. The past two years liberals had to defend those programs with a minority in congress and we succeeded.

It's the right that are watching fellow Americans sink. Democratic liberal progressives have been the only voice those people had and your kind have only watched or tried to drag them under. So fuck off with that lying holier than thou attitude.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

muh, Stormfront!

fixed it for you, little girl.

 

[Fogdog]

Orange man bad?

Is that what you use for logic nowdays?

 

[NaturalFarmer]

The shit you say.

SNAP, Unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education, Medicaid, and many other programs either help people get out of poverty or are a safety net if they fail. They are all left-side political policies.

Some are beneficial and some end up creating a much larger mess then I could ever explain to YOU (maybe somebody else though but you are as dense as a walnut). We have spent $22 trillion (four times more than we have spent on all our wars combined) on the war on poverty since 1964 not including SS or medicare and had zero % drop in poverty. Teach a man to fish vs giving them a can of tuna. Same reason liberal policy has fucked black America for the past fifty years. Look at every liberal city and how the policies have turned it to shit. Its almost as if the party of slavery KNEW that would happen.

 

[Fogdog]

Some are beneficial and some end up creating a much larger mess then I could ever explain to YOU (maybe somebody else though). We have spent $22 trillion (four times more than we have spent on all our wars combined) on the war on poverty since 1964 and had zero % drop in poverty. Teach a man to fish vs giving them a can of tuna. Same reason liberal policy has fucked black America for the past fifty years.

Actually, social security and Medicare have been huge in reducing poverty among the elderly.

SNAP is all about getting food to kids in low income families. Most of those families have at least one member who is working full time. So, to a hungry baby you'd say "to work"?

Public education is under assault from the right wing. Public education is THE ONLY means that most people have to improve their economic position. So, to the parent of that kid who receives SNAP subsidized milk, you would deny education opportunities?

You have no real idea what you are talking about.

Is this where you tell me about all those illegals taking money? How about all those rich people who received trillions in tax cuts last year? More than likely, the ratio is 1,000 dollars in tax cuts for the rich guy to every 1 dollar in aid an illegal migrant receives.

 

[NaturalFarmer]

Actually, social security and Medicare have been huge in reducing poverty among the elderly.

SNAP is all about getting food to kids in low income families. Most of those families have at least one member who is working full time. So, to a hungry baby you'd say "to work"?

Public education is under assault from the right wing. Public education is THE ONLY means that most people have to improve their economic position. So, to the parent of that kid who receives SNAP subsidized milk, you would deny education opportunities?
.

I don't have anything against SNAP and you can't read because I specifically said the $22 trillion wasn't including SS or medicare. I have to walk on pins and needles with you because I know your sensitive as fuck and will go to your pal pork loin and get me banned again.
Public education is a whole different day sally. Goodnight sweetheart.

 

[medviper]

It's the right that are watching fellow Americans sink. Democratic liberal progressives have been the only voice those people had and your kind have only watched or tried to drag them under. So fuck off with that lying holier than thou attitude.

i can attest to that fact, i reside in s/e Kentucky near many abandoned & depleted mining industry areas., and though many of the families & individuals whom rely on the government assistance programs do routinely vote against their own interest because they were taught to believe that the republicans are more concerned about preserving their traditional white appalachian christian culture. they will never acknowledge that entitlements that they willingly and gratefully embrace, are the programs that are key to their very existence were fought for and implemented by the very democratic party of which they despise, or without whom they would not survive without.
the democratic philosophical policy in their minds is that they are the party of ethnic minorities, gays,non christian or any other religious beliefs and atheism while trying to marginalizing the white race.

 

[UncleBuck]

We have spent $22 trillion (four times more than we have spent on all our wars combined) on the war on poverty since 1964 not including SS or medicare and had zero % drop in poverty.

if we ended the war on poverty tonight, the poverty rate would double by tomorrow

the KKK endorsed trump

 

[Fogdog]

I don't have anything against SNAP and you can't read because I specifically said the $22 trillion wasn't including SS or medicare. I have to walk on pins and needles with you because I know your sensitive as fuck and will go to your pal pork loin and get me banned again.
Public education is a whole different day sally. Goodnight sweetheart.

So, explain to me why you support Trump and the GOP?

If not for Democrats, those programs would be toast.

You should start trolling right wingers if you are all about SNAP and Medicare and such.

Or is it just racism that drives you?

 

[NaturalFarmer]

So, explain to me why you support Trump and the GOP?

If not for Democrats, those programs would be toast.

You should start trolling right wingers if you are all about SNAP and Medicare and such.

Or is it just racism that drives you?

This is the walnut that I spoke of. You hear nothing and believe a bunch of bull. Giving nutrition to people is not the problem. Most welfare goes to service providers.....whom many take more then they should. Something like 75% of our welfare money never goes to people in need, but instead doctors, pharma and the like.
Racism says the party that enslaved an entire rave, left the union and fought for years with the toll of millions of live to protect it. Racism is the party that supports killing 19,000,000 black babies since 1973. Racism is the party who needs to look in the mirror. Most of the worst cities to be a black man or women are Democrat from the ground up. ie Baltimore, Chicago.....Awful education systems are not awful because they lack money. Baltimore spends huge $$$ and gets shit results. Public education sucks bro/sis. Superintendents and union bosses making big dime while kindergarten have to purchase crayons. Public unions are a major problem

 

[Grandpapy]

This is the walnut that I spoke of. You hear nothing and believe a bunch of bull. Giving nutrition to people is not the problem. Most welfare goes to service providers.....whom many take more then they should. Something like 75% of our welfare money never goes to people in need, but instead doctors, pharma and the like.
Racism says the party that enslaved an entire rave, left the union and fought for years with the toll of millions of live to protect it. Racism is the party that supports killing 19,000,000 black babies since 1973. Racism is the party who needs to look in the mirror. Most of the worst cities to be a black man or women are Democrat from the ground up. ie Baltimore, Chicago.....

So your plan is to stop the 75% waste by Walnuts.