Best light on the market ?

[NoWaistedSpace]

i know, that what makes that gif worth it....

my personal view on lighting is pretty each to they're own, everyone is gonna have a different opinion on this subject....what one person likes another doesn't... so

this season i decided to veg with a single 5k led bulb as a test to see if i could do it, and guess what i did.....even posted it in this thread......

I agree, it is basically what you got to use, even if it is a "kerosene" lamp.
What is gonna get you the best results overall, isn't the light.
It's the "genetics" you are using.

 

[Couch_Lock]

Being able to "read" your plants health helps a lot. Then add what is needed........be careful not to overfertilize, and checking Ph's of soil/water

good lighting never hurts

 

[BudmanTX]

I agree, it is basically what you got to use, even if it is a "kerosene" lamp.
What is gonna get you the best results overall, isn't the light.
It's the "genetics" you are using.

genetics does play a part in the equation, lighting is another part of the equation.....but my mind it's the grower the individual who is the caretaker of sorts that plays the biggest role.....

I've been running bag o seeds for years that's why i say that....i was just recently gifted some genetics so i'll be running those soon....

 

[Heisenbeans]

I discredit anyone making cmh and led claims, one thread its cmh the best, another its strips and cobs destroys all and both claim to finish a week earlier than each other and everyone else.

Are you not smelling the coffee on this one and seeing that its just trolling not anything constructive and with so many opinions no new grower has a clue whats what anymore.

Well done for this toxic shite, no one cares anymore and just assumes your trolling. Kingrow sees a middle ground and peeps love seeing the full argument play out here daily....

Your choice but if you troll then expect me to even things up for the stuff your trashing.

I liked all lights why my favouritecis cfl, thesedays its about taking sides so im on my side and he is pretty confident he can front up this toxic dhite more than you lot.

Enjoy

You truly are a special kind of person

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

genetics does play a part in the equation, lighting is another part of the equation.....but my mind it's the grower the individual who is the caretaker of sorts that plays the biggest role.....

I've been running bag o seeds for years that's why i say that....i was just recently gifted some genetics so i'll be running those soon....

There's nothing wrong with "certain" bag seeds, that's for sure. And not all seeds from breeders are above "bag seeds". And these seeds in certain areas are becoming an issue for having higher than normal "hermi" tendencies. Things are changing.

 

[BudmanTX]

There's nothing wrong with "certain" bag seeds, that's for sure. And not all seeds from breeders are above "bag seeds". And these seeds in certain areas are becoming an issue for having higher than normal "hermi" tendencies. Things are changing.

i've been noticing that too, seems that the genetic pool has been diluted alot.....for me i like going after the regs, this way i can figure out if i like it or not. Most of the time i find some killer stuff hidden other time i get the "eh" moment.

last year i found a herm or as i like to call it these day's a RODE....i grew it out to see what it was gonna look like and it structure, come to my fancy guess what a nice batch of seeds.....so fars so good, knock on wood, 12 of 12 females, i kept 2 out of the batch....

nothing against any breeders out there....

you'd be surprised whacha find......

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

i've been noticing that too, seems that the genetic pool has been diluted alot.....for me i like going after the regs, this way i can figure out if i like it or not. Most of the time i find some killer stuff hidden other time i get the "eh" moment.

last year i found a herm or as i like to call it these day's a RODE....i grew it out to see what it was gonna look like and it structure, come to my fancy guess what a nice batch of seeds.....so fars so good, knock on wood, 12 of 12 females, i kept 2 out of the batch....

nothing against any breeders out there....

you'd be surprised whacha find......

I think there is so many seeds floating around, the competition is fierce. People make mistakes when being rushed to get something to market.The ones that have been holding on to their genetics from 20 years ago are setting on a "gold mine".

 

[redeyedfrog]

I discredit anyone making cmh and led claims, one thread its cmh the best, another its strips and cobs destroys all and both claim to finish a week earlier than each other and everyone else.
Are you not smelling the coffee on this one and seeing that its just trolling not anything constructive and with so many opinions no new grower has a clue whats what anymore.

Well done for this toxic shite, no one cares anymore and just assumes your trolling. Kingrow sees a middle ground and peeps love seeing the full argument play out here daily....

Your choice but if you troll then expect me to even things up for the stuff your trashing.

I liked all lights why my favouritecis cfl, thesedays its about taking sides so im on my side and he is pretty confident he can front up this toxic dhite more than you lot.

Enjoy

I find it interesting you call others toxic and trolls yet you troll and are the most negative toxic poster on RIU, care to explain yourself?

 

[Coloradoclear]

There's nothing wrong with "certain" bag seeds, that's for sure. And not all seeds from breeders are above "bag seeds". And these seeds in certain areas are becoming an issue for having higher than normal "hermi" tendencies. Things are changing.

The original OG Kush came from bag seed in Florida.

 

[BudmanTX]

I think there is so many seeds floating around, the competition is fierce. People make mistakes when being rushed to get something to market.The ones that have been holding on to their genetics from 20 years ago are setting on a "gold mine".

yep they are......of course you can't forget the outlying farmer that been growing for years and year, make you wonder what kinda of stash they have in terms of seeds and seed stock. All this talk makes me wonder what extra stashes i have around the home stead...hmmm

 

[BudmanTX]

The original OG Kush came from bag seed in Florida.

i've heard that too, through the rumor ville....

 

[Kingrow1]

I find it interesting you call others toxic and trolls yet you troll and are the most negative toxic poster on RIU, care to explain yourself?

Yes i realised the info on how to dry/cure, leds and light in general, heat and simple stuff like the exact way to place a thermometer to read air temps, genetics, hermies, sexing plants and a few other topics like ploidy and trifoliates was the biggest pile of rubbish id ever read and wondered how this could ever happen that we went from a knowledganle site of hard working learned growers to this lazy ass half wrong confusing dribble and thus set about correcting the obvious....

So one might call me a troll and then again one might call a lot of you trolls, time normally tells and so far quite a fewxtimes my info has proved this exact point only just recently.

Wanna buy a led that emits cold light finishes that eight week strain in six and then sweat out your buds in a jar? Sorry you come to the wrong shop, you want the joke shop two doors down.

 

[Bookush34]

So one might call me a troll and then again one might call a lot of you trolls, time normally tells and so far quite a fewxtimes my info has proved this exact point only just recently.

For the record
everyone thinks you are a Troll
your delivery is aggravating at first.
then turns comical after a while.

At the end of the day you are full of knowledge that you can not get threw to people because of your delivery,and that you are too stubborn to change it.
which in turn discredits what you are trying to tech people.

Look at it this way.
you are a nutrient solution full of everything that any grower could need.
but your PH is so fucking hard.
That everyone is locked out and zero uptake is happening.


do your self and everyone else a favor, do a head stand and butt chug a bottle of PH down

 

[Flowki]

Cmh sucks. I got a 1000 that got murdered with 300 less wattage of cobs. I'm sure you'll figure out a way to discredit the comparison. This was a 1000w double ended cmh all clones next to 750 watts of cobs. The cmh was pulling 1100 from the wall both on 220V.

That isn't a good comparison at all, most people already agree that using high W cmh is a bad idea. It puts you back on the same ground as using high W hps, having to choose between over all intensity at the risk of frying some tops, or lower over all intensity to avoid frying but potentially lowering yield. It isn't the tech that's at fault here, but the deliverance.

For example, put 1k worth of cobs into a small area with a hood like the cmh and you'll bleach the fuck out of the tops within feet distances. You are getting same or ok results with lower W cob becuase the light intensity/hot spots is spread far better.. but you could do the same with small W hps units or small W cmh units (lower W per fixture/use more fixtures). Ok it might not be exactly the same, since cobs put out more light per W than both but the gap will be a hell of a lot smaller, first hand.

Hats off to you for doing a comparison though, more than most others who bitch and moan ever done.

 

[hillbill]

That isn't a good comparison at all, most people already agree that using high W cmh is a bad idea. It puts you back on the same ground as using high W hps, having to choose between over all intensity at the risk of frying some tops, or lower over all intensity to avoid frying but potentially lowering yield. It isn't the tech that's at fault here, but the deliverance.

For example, put 1k worth of cobs into a small area with a hood like the cmh and you'll bleach the fuck out of the tops within feet distances. You are getting same or ok results with lower W cob becuase the light intensity/hot spots is spread far better.. but you could do the same with small W hps units or small W cmh units (lower W per fixture/use more fixtures). Ok it might not be exactly the same, since cobs put out more light per W than both but the gap will be a hell of a lot smaller, first hand.

Hats off to you for doing a comparison though, more than most others who bitch and moan ever done.

The wrench in that example is that LEDs are a directional light source. Also multiple sources whatever the spacing.

 

[Heisenbeans]

That isn't a good comparison at all, most people already agree that using high W cmh is a bad idea. It puts you back on the same ground as using high W hps, having to choose between over all intensity at the risk of frying some tops, or lower over all intensity to avoid frying but potentially lowering yield. It isn't the tech that's at fault here, but the deliverance.

For example, put 1k worth of cobs into a small area with a hood like the cmh and you'll bleach the fuck out of the tops within feet distances. You are getting same or ok results with lower W cob becuase the light intensity/hot spots is spread far better.. but you could do the same with small W hps units or small W cmh units (lower W per fixture/use more fixtures). Ok it might not be exactly the same, since cobs put out more light per W than both but the gap will be a hell of a lot smaller, first hand.

Hats off to you for doing a comparison though, more than most others who bitch and moan ever done.

It would have taken 3 315s to cover the area. Still more wattage than the 750 of cobbs. But the comparison was a 1000w double ended cmh vs 750 watts of cobbs. The cobs held there own in every aspect and was proof that side by side they could easily outperform
Watt for watt no way in hell a cmh could touch cobbs. I could up the drivers to 1750Ma or even 2100 and they would knock the dicks off 4 cmh bulbs over the same space at an equal wattage.

 

[vertnugs]

So....is it the "lighting tec"

or

a single light source vs multiple points of light?

 

[Kingrow1]

For the record
everyone thinks you are a Troll
your delivery is aggravating at first.
then turns comical after a while.

At the end of the day you are full of knowledge that you can not get threw to people because of your delivery,and that you are too stubborn to change it.
which in turn discredits what you are trying to tech people.

Look at it this way.
you are a nutrient solution full of everything that any grower could need.
but your PH is so fucking hard.
That everyone is locked out and zero uptake is happening.


do your self and everyone else a favor, do a head stand and butt chug a bottle of PH down

Like i give a sh!t dude, grow up and chin up

 

[Kingrow1]

That isn't a good comparison at all, most people already agree that using high W cmh is a bad idea. It puts you back on the same ground as using high W hps, having to choose between over all intensity at the risk of frying some tops, or lower over all intensity to avoid frying but potentially lowering yield. It isn't the tech that's at fault here, but the deliverance.

For example, put 1k worth of cobs into a small area with a hood like the cmh and you'll bleach the fuck out of the tops within feet distances. You are getting same or ok results with lower W cob becuase the light intensity/hot spots is spread far better.. but you could do the same with small W hps units or small W cmh units (lower W per fixture/use more fixtures). Ok it might not be exactly the same, since cobs put out more light per W than both but the gap will be a hell of a lot smaller, first hand.

Hats off to you for doing a comparison though, more than most others who bitch and moan ever done.

You havent found anything we dont already know here and yes we can run high wattage cmh or hps without fucking the tops of our plants.

Moaning bitching exscuses again

 

[Kingrow1]

It would have taken 3 315s to cover the area. Still more wattage than the 750 of cobbs. But the comparison was a 1000w double ended cmh vs 750 watts of cobbs. The cobs held there own in every aspect and was proof that side by side they could easily outperform
Watt for watt no way in hell a cmh could touch cobbs. I could up the drivers to 1750Ma or even 2100 and they would knock the dicks off 4 cmh bulbs over the same space at an equal wattage.

So cobs destroy cmh....

So many claims so few agree, what a tool to still be pushing his wares here