Winterization Pro Question

[cannabineer]

This is not unnecessary,
the reason i do not extract directly into the final carrier is because I also make a number of topical products that require a 1:2 concentrate:carrier ratio and I base my prices per 1000mg of extract. I also like to have the ability to sell my extraction by the undiluted gram. I also feel that too much is left to guess at when it comes to dosing in the process you mentioned. No, I cannot test my product, but I assume a 60% potency in all of my whole plant decarb extracts, which may be wrong and certainly has fluctuation chemovar to chemovar but as long as I have a consistent baseline product then I am able to expand from there.

What you have (in my opinion) is a tradeoff. A direct extraction (Annie style) is cleaner.

And since you are forced to accept an assumed purity for your extract, you cannot represent the final sale product as having a given potency.

I think you have nothing to lose going to a direct coconut oil extraction. The spurious precision you get from having an extract you can weigh is undone (again, my opinion) by not knowing its true cannabinoid content.

Topical products will be a separate thing. Any reason the topicals (for which indication?) cannot be made with direct flower-to-coconut extract?

 

[curious2garden]

have you had these tested for potency? Curious the thc%

No, they were for personal consumption only. But I can say that they were consistent from batch to batch using the same clones. I was using high dose (2 grams/day) to treat chronic pain and as a cardiac chronotrope. They were effective but I can not speak to assayed cannabinoids.

.....snip........Any reason the topicals (for which indication?) cannot be made with direct flower-to-coconut extract?

That's the important question

 

[curious2garden]

I am certainly all ears I didn’t get to where I am by doing all the talking. I listed to Dr. Ethan Russo on a daily but he offers nothing on the extraction end. I want to know more about what Annie has to say, my main concern with this method is obviously loosing accuracy but if I can create a safer, more cost effective end product then everyone wins! Annie, I would be honored if you would spend some time with me here.

Thank you, that is kind, but CN is the expert here.

 

[cannabineer]

Thank you, that is kind, but CN is the expert here.

Except on the volatility of wax, smh

 

[curious2garden]

Except on the volatility of wax, smh

LOL at least I didn't insult the size of your column.

 

[cannabineer]

LOL at least I didn't insult the size of your column.

LOL

~clutches column protectively~

 

[dabbindylan]

@Fadedawg @gwpharms read these guys post. Full of knowledge.

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

Wow so much unnecessary work. To make a potent edible, mix 1:10 weight ratio (e.g. 15 grams flower to 150 grams oil), of flower to coconut oil in a mason jar sealed tightly. Place in a crock pot, add boiling water to cover and turn crock pot on high for 4 hours. Decarb and extract in one motion, simply filter the finished product to remove the vegetable matter and you're done. You can obviously dilute with more coconut oil if necessary. Wax is easily ignored by our digestive tracts.

PS I do not do any actual extraction. Instead CN produces these for me, pure distillate.
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Can I do this process with butter? I would assume no since the smoke point is lower than butter? Do I just use coconut oil and substitute it for butter in the recipe?

 

[dabbindylan]

Coconut oil is a better carrier

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

Coconut oil is a better carrier

I do get that but my friends want some butter just to be able to add to normal recipes... for me I will for sure use this method and the coconut oil. But just trying to help out some friends who have chronic pain that the docs cant seem to do anything about (they THINK its shingles or related?)

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

Also I made a very weak salve that helped an elderly man I know with a serious case of Nephropathy! I have not seen that anywhere on these sites so thought I would at least post it somewhere

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

Wow so much unnecessary work. To make a potent edible, mix 1:10 weight ratio (e.g. 15 grams flower to 150 grams oil), of flower to coconut oil in a mason jar sealed tightly. Place in a crock pot, add boiling water to cover and turn crock pot on high for 4 hours. Decarb and extract in one motion, simply filter the finished product to remove the vegetable matter and you're done. You can obviously dilute with more coconut oil if necessary. Wax is easily ignored by our digestive tracts.

PS I do not do any actual extraction. Instead CN produces these for me, pure distillate.
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what would your coconut oil to iso concentrate ratio be like to decarb for making strong gummies?

 

[curious2garden]

what would your coconut oil to iso concentrate ratio be like to decarb for making strong gummies?

Let me call @cannabineer, he's the organic chemist and can answer this better than I.

 

[cannabineer]

what would your coconut oil to iso concentrate ratio be like to decarb for making strong gummies?

I cannot answer this without some particulars. Where is the lower limit for "strong"?

 

[meangreengrowinmachine]

I cannot answer this without some particulars. Where is the lower limit for "strong"?

well I really dont have that much experience with edibles so maybe I should go on the less strong side ... but I am a long time all day every day each way the right way smoker... so that kind