TreeFiddy350
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Has anybody used this compared to other products? It seems a little pricey. For the people who have used it and others, what did you think about it? Worth the money? If so, why?
Mammoth p microbes
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NoWaistedSpace
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Yes, it's worth the $. Been using it for about 3 years along with Recharge.
It goes a long way. You only use like .5 ml/ gal, I think.
It goes a long way. You only use like .5 ml/ gal, I think.
TreeFiddy350
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Why do you like it better?
Renfro
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I have used many different products and nothing made for better looking and abundant roots in DWC. A friend turned me on to the stuff and I was blown away. No other microbial product I have tried (including mammoth P) has ever impressed me this much. Lots of beautiful white roots.
TreeFiddy350
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What type of medium do you grow in?
5BY5LEC
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I think it is made here in CO. I about choked up my food when I saw the prices.
For what it costs, it better keep my water clean, feed my plants and change my res when it needs it lol.
Tribus?
-Bacillus subtilis
-Bacillus amyloliquefaciens
-Bacillus pumilus
That looks great. I use Orca with Hydroguard to get me those extra microbes. I might try it.
For what it costs, it better keep my water clean, feed my plants and change my res when it needs it lol.
Tribus?
-Bacillus subtilis
-Bacillus amyloliquefaciens
-Bacillus pumilus
That looks great. I use Orca with Hydroguard to get me those extra microbes. I might try it.
NoWaistedSpace
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250ml bottle of Mammoth P lasts me a year.
Spend 25 bucks for a 60ml sample and give it a try.
Will make 100 gallons. (.6ml/gal)
I can only speak for organic "living soil" grows.
Spend 25 bucks for a 60ml sample and give it a try.
Will make 100 gallons. (.6ml/gal)
I can only speak for organic "living soil" grows.
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Renfro
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Currently Berger BM6 HP. Have done DWC before for several years. I have grown so many ways it's funny. Every once in a while I just change things up. I'm silly like that lol
Thing about Tribus, the guy studied shit and came to the conclusion that too many microbe species is actually counterproductive. Thats why tribus works so well,
NoWaistedSpace
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Have you read "Teaming With Microbes"?
Renfro
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Renfro
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I have used Orca in the past, Age old mycorrhizae, Mammoth P... But Tribus original outperformed them in my personal grows. I don't have the logic behind it but it works. The guy at Impello could probably explain it for us however for me it's a winner. This run I am using up my leftover supply of Age Old. After that I will be Tribus all the way.
5BY5LEC
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It makes sense. A lot of the microbes in Orca are just hype in my opinion, because a lot of them do not do any good in pure water hydro. Or so I read.
I have to say though, the stuff did me right. I just want to simplify down the microbes in it that actually did the work.
I have to say though, the stuff did me right. I just want to simplify down the microbes in it that actually did the work.
Coloradoclear
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Where did you find the 60ml samples?
NoWaistedSpace
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Ebay
Renfro
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I got an explanation from the makers of Tribus.
"The bacteria in Tribus are the most dominant bacterial species in the cannabis rhizosphere (because the plant selects for them) and provide a number of advantages in practical application: their spore-forming ability helps them persist in unfavorable environments and means they can be tank-mixed with incredibly concentrated fertilizers and/or pesticides, they produce an incredible diversity of enzymes, antibiotic compounds, and even some phytohormones, and they are ultimately capable of promoting plant growth through every known microbial growth-promoting mechanism (i.e., nutrient cycling, pathogen resistance, improved water uptake, etc).
Tribus is composed of a limited consortia of microbes (3-7 species) at extremely high concentrations (10 billion CFUs/ML). Older gen. inoculants (like Great White by Plant Success) have 20+ microbes at lower concentrations. You will hear these companies pitch the benefits of microbial diversity in their product. The problem with that is that is two-fold: 1) the plant is highly selective in its rhizosphere microbiome and rarely supports more than a few dominant bacterial species and 2) no one in the world has the ability to quantify the interactions between dozens of microorganisms. There was a paper published recently by a biophysicist that looks at the maximum number of microbe-microbe interactions that we can quantify in an ecosystem (soil, petri dish, or otherwise); he concluded that when there are more than ~17 microbes interacting with each other, there are more possible microbe-microbe interactions than their are atoms in the visible universe. In turn, products with that many microbes cannot be quantifiably analyzed for efficacy. What we can do today, however, is pick the 3, 4 or 5 most productive species that the plant selects for in its root zone and actually quantify what's going on.
We are trying to keep things simple- by focusing on the most productive species at high concentrations we can better quantify and attribute growth to microbe interactions. Our inoculants are purely bacteria and water, and nothing else. We know they aren't competing with each other in the rhizosphere which we can't confidently say for older-gen inoculants with 10+ species. Also, the high concentration ensures there is also a consistently high population of our good bacteria in the rhizosphere! At 10 billion CFUs/mL we are over 50x more concentrated per mL than most other inoculants."
"The bacteria in Tribus are the most dominant bacterial species in the cannabis rhizosphere (because the plant selects for them) and provide a number of advantages in practical application: their spore-forming ability helps them persist in unfavorable environments and means they can be tank-mixed with incredibly concentrated fertilizers and/or pesticides, they produce an incredible diversity of enzymes, antibiotic compounds, and even some phytohormones, and they are ultimately capable of promoting plant growth through every known microbial growth-promoting mechanism (i.e., nutrient cycling, pathogen resistance, improved water uptake, etc).
Tribus is composed of a limited consortia of microbes (3-7 species) at extremely high concentrations (10 billion CFUs/ML). Older gen. inoculants (like Great White by Plant Success) have 20+ microbes at lower concentrations. You will hear these companies pitch the benefits of microbial diversity in their product. The problem with that is that is two-fold: 1) the plant is highly selective in its rhizosphere microbiome and rarely supports more than a few dominant bacterial species and 2) no one in the world has the ability to quantify the interactions between dozens of microorganisms. There was a paper published recently by a biophysicist that looks at the maximum number of microbe-microbe interactions that we can quantify in an ecosystem (soil, petri dish, or otherwise); he concluded that when there are more than ~17 microbes interacting with each other, there are more possible microbe-microbe interactions than their are atoms in the visible universe. In turn, products with that many microbes cannot be quantifiably analyzed for efficacy. What we can do today, however, is pick the 3, 4 or 5 most productive species that the plant selects for in its root zone and actually quantify what's going on.
We are trying to keep things simple- by focusing on the most productive species at high concentrations we can better quantify and attribute growth to microbe interactions. Our inoculants are purely bacteria and water, and nothing else. We know they aren't competing with each other in the rhizosphere which we can't confidently say for older-gen inoculants with 10+ species. Also, the high concentration ensures there is also a consistently high population of our good bacteria in the rhizosphere! At 10 billion CFUs/mL we are over 50x more concentrated per mL than most other inoculants."
Zephyrs
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I have used mammoth P and then bushdoctor microbe brew and without a doubt mam P out performed the bushdoct. By far. In my opinion, the mammoth P is a lil pricey but highly effective for a big full beautiful root mass. BD not so much. Bottom line here is ya get what ya pay for in that dept. JM2C.
CikaBika
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Do you have a link?
Renfro
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https://www.impellobio.com/tribus-original/
I just use the original currently, haven't tried their grow or bloom formulas.