Premature seeds in my bud

Im wondering what problems i might be having with this Chemdawg from barneys farm (5 year old strain keep moms about a year before recycling them into new moms) recently noticed potency seems down and im seeing premature seeds through the bud and no hermi problems, wondering if my genetics could be diminishing or what could be causing this issue, thanks for the help...
 

Logan Burke

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Could be a few things. I guess to start out, was your grow space totally light-proofed? Light leaks can cause a plant to turn hermaphrodite. I've also heard that environmental stress can cause this as well. Did you have any males for any period of time during that grow? Unstable genetics can give an increased chance of a plant turning hermaphrodite. I'm not sure if the seed's age would or wouldn't impact that. I've seeds about 5 years old though and thus far none have produced seeds. Is the Chemdawg by chance the autoflowering version?
 
Could be a few things. I guess to start out, was your grow space totally light-proofed? Light leaks can cause a plant to turn hermaphrodite. I've also heard that environmental stress can cause this as well. Did you have any males for any period of time during that grow? Unstable genetics can give an increased chance of a plant turning hermaphrodite. I'm not sure if the seed's age would or wouldn't impact that. I've seeds about 5 years old though and thus far none have produced seeds. Is the Chemdawg by chance the autoflowering version?
No it was a feminized seed pack grew them all out to select good phenos for a mom plant kept the mom alive through cloning new moms from the original and have done so for 5 years now, so now this mother plant has been recycled from a clone of itself 5 times now, not sprouting new seeds of chemdawg sorry if i was confusing with my question. I feel like the genetics may be degrading over time, i feel like it may be because of one of the cuts i took to be a mom was a bad cut, i don't really know whats going on its potency hasnt been up to par and like i said i have premature undeveloped seeds inside throughout the bud recently in the last few grows of it, and no hermi problems like i said there are no hermies or male flowers at all, i havent had anything hermi or even spit a banana out what so ever, its not a hermi issue at least its not imo and i feel like maybe some type of stress with light could be an issue but its light tight in there, im wondering if maybe there are other enviro triggers or conditions that may make the plants more prone to seeding? Idk really stunted here and have tossed alot of ideas around with other growers and still drawing up a blank here
 

xtsho

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If you have seeds in your buds then you have a source of pollen. Nanners can hide out deep in the bud and still pollinate. Are you sure they are premature seeds and not just empty calyx's?

Plant's can't seed without being pollinated. Cannabis flowers will not produce seeds without being pollinated.
 

delstele

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Those degrading genetics can be somewhat reversed, spring time sun and air can help with genetic drift. If you have a place to put one of the clones outside let it veg basking in the springtime sun for a month then take clones off that plant.. Try it it works
 

T macc

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You can go the tresdawg way; find a male and look for the the mother plant again. I would suggest Copper Chem. Or just get Copper Chem lol
 
If you have seeds in your buds then you have a source of pollen. Nanners can hide out deep in the bud and still pollinate. Are you sure they are premature seeds and not just empty calyx's?

Plant's can't seed without being pollinated. Cannabis flowers will not produce seeds without being pollinated.
Sensemilla? Non pollinated female seeds
 
Those degrading genetics can be somewhat reversed, spring time sun and air can help with genetic drift. If you have a place to put one of the clones outside let it veg basking in the springtime sun for a month then take clones off that plant.. Try it it works
I like this idea, i will try to give one of the clones some outside springtime sunshine and veg it out with sun and artificial light and pull those clones, thank you for the idea
 
Cannabis most certain can seed without being pollinated, it will seed due to stress from light and heat and they can produce viable feminized unpollinated seeds, how do you think seed banks do it and garentee females?
Okay lol I might add being pollinated by a male plant, stressing female plants at the peak of ripeness will cause it to produce pollen sacs with nothing but the female chromozone in them, so technically they are pollenated with deliberate stress or chemicals to cause the plants to produce both male and female flowers on the same plant is also another commonly used method in making feminized seeds, but these seeds that i am seeing are premature undeveloped seeds inside of the pods and i havent found any hermies in the bud, ill have to take some pics on the next run of chemdawg so everyone can see but i am going to try the sringtime sunshine veg on a clone and take cuts from that to see how it improves
 

KryptoBud

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Okay lol I might add being pollinated by a male plant, stressing female plants at the peak of ripeness will cause it to produce pollen sacs with nothing but the female chromozone in them, so technically they are pollenated with deliberate stress or chemicals to cause the plants to produce both male and female flowers on the same plant is also another commonly used method in making feminized seeds, but these seeds that i am seeing are premature undeveloped seeds inside of the pods and i havent found any hermies in the bud, ill have to take some pics on the next run of chemdawg so everyone can see but i am going to try the sringtime sunshine veg on a clone and take cuts from that to see how it improves
Look up ovules its probably what they are. They're potential seeds that haven't been pollinated.

https://beyondthc.com/the-cannabis-female-flower/
 

danjac82

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No it was a feminized seed pack grew them all out to select good phenos for a mom plant kept the mom alive through cloning new moms from the original and have done so for 5 years now, so now this mother plant has been recycled from a clone of itself 5 times now, not sprouting new seeds of chemdawg sorry if i was confusing with my question. I feel like the genetics may be degrading over time, i feel like it may be because of one of the cuts i took to be a mom was a bad cut, i don't really know whats going on its potency hasnt been up to par and like i said i have premature undeveloped seeds inside throughout the bud recently in the last few grows of it, and no hermi problems like i said there are no hermies or male flowers at all, i havent had anything hermi or even spit a banana out what so ever, its not a hermi issue at least its not imo and i feel like maybe some type of stress with light could be an issue but its light tight in there, im wondering if maybe there are other enviro triggers or conditions that may make the plants more prone to seeding? Idk really stunted here and have tossed alot of ideas around with other growers and still drawing up a blank here
Can I see a pic of the tiny seeds?
 
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