Potency differences between phenotypes

dstroy

dstroy

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Booyah! said:
Um yeah of course you can breed towards certain traits, but that don't make it GMO.
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It does. There's more than one way to make a GMO.

You're wrong again.

Simple selection and genetic engineering both modify genes. Both are artificial.

The differences between genetic engineering and simple selection aren't subtle, but you can't seem to grasp that they belong to the same subset.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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With selective breeding you are NOT modifying any genes so they are NOT a GMO. None of the genes get modified in any way but the expression of those genes is selected for to get plants/animals that have the particular traits you want. At the end of many selected generations you will have a plant/animal that has all the traits you want and still has the exact same genes as the plants/animals you started with.

Flogging a dead horse here @dstroy
 
dstroy

dstroy

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OldMedUser said:
With selective breeding you are NOT modifying any genes so they are NOT a GMO. None of the genes get modified in any way but the expression of those genes is selected for to get plants/animals that have the particular traits you want. At the end of many selected generations you will have a plant/animal that has all the traits you want and still has the exact same genes as the plants/animals you started with.

Flogging a dead horse here @dstroy
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Hey man, your opinion is wrong. You are misinformed.


"
Modification to produce desired traits in plants, animals, and microbes used for food began about 10,000 years ago. These changes, along with natural evolutionary changes, have resulted in common food species that are now genetically different from their ancestors.

Advantageous outcomes of these genetic modifications include increased food production, reliability, and yields; enhanced taste and nutritional value; and decreased losses due to various biotic and abiotic stresses, such as fungal and bacterial pathogens. These objectives continue to motivate modern breeders and food scientists, who have designed newer genetic modification methods for identifying, selecting, and analyzing individual organisms that possess genetically enhanced features

PLANT GENETIC MODIFICATION
Techniques Other than Genetic Engineering
Simple Selection
The easiest method of plant genetic modification

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK215771/


I'm right.
 
dstroy

dstroy

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Booyah! said:
Maybe they should have called it something different like GSO (Genetically Spliced Organism) because you're getting tripped up by the verbage.

There's only 10 GMO crops out there.

https://gmoanswers.com/current-gmo-crops
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No, I'm not getting tripped up. You are.

There's more than one type of GMO. You think it's the colloquial definition, you are wrong.

GMO doesn't refer to engineered plants only.

You are wrong.

That is an outdated list of approved GM crops, go to the USDA website for a current list.

My information comes from a more reputable source than "gmoanswers.com" (the national institute of health and the USDA is where I'm pulling this from).

hey, speaking of the USDA, here's how they define it:


Genetic modification: The production of heritable improvements in plants or animals for specific uses, via either genetic engineering or other more traditional methods. Some countries other than the United States use this term to refer specifically to genetic engineering.

Genetically modified organism (GMO): An organism produced through genetic modification.

Genetically engineered organism (GEO): An organism produced through genetic engineering.

https://www.usda.gov/topics/biotechnology/biotechnology-glossary



lol
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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All I see is you guys making one side of this arguement, I can only imagine that Dstroy is on the other side making the same statements he was before. You guys are really wasting your time. He obviously has a very broad definition of something that others have a more specific definition of. You will find both definitions used throughout the research. I have no problem with other people having different opinions, I am very accepting of others rights even if I don't agree. So I suggest choosing not to fight with a person who clearly finds entertainment in fighting for no reason :facepalm: .
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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dstroy said:
No, I'm not getting tripped up. You are.

There's more than one type of GMO. You think it's the colloquial definition, you are wrong.

GMO doesn't refer to engineered plants only.

You are wrong.

That is an outdated list of approved GM crops, go to the USDA website for a current list.

My information comes from a more reputable source than "gmoanswers.com" (the national institute of health and the USDA is where I'm pulling this from).

hey, speaking of the USDA, here's how they define it:


Genetic modification: The production of heritable improvements in plants or animals for specific uses, via either genetic engineering or other more traditional methods. Some countries other than the United States use this term to refer specifically to genetic engineering.

Genetically modified organism (GMO): An organism produced through genetic modification.


Genetically engineered organism (GEO): An organism produced through genetic engineering.

https://www.usda.gov/topics/biotechnology/biotechnology-glossary



lol
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I didn't know there was a difference. Cheers.
Makes sense as, as soon as a land race strain is cultivated it stops being a land race strain. With cultivation comes selection.​
 
GreeneryBob

GreeneryBob

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dstroy is correct.. If you modify genes of an organism, you can call it a genetically modified organism. The organism doesn't care what techniques you used, finding 'naturally' occurring mutations to breed with, using markers, or crispr splicing as they all modify the gene line. You still end up with a deliberately genetically modified organism, or GMO.
 
Booyah!

Booyah!

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Y'all are describing every crop on Earth. Why even give it a name? And what do you think countries that banned GMOs are eating? I guess they have all gone back to hunting and gathering obviously. Well wait a second, aren't they GMO too? Of course!

You all must be wondering why GMOs even make the news. I bet you really thought the strain GMO was exactly that and can't get the humor.

What about animal selected fruits? Guess they fit the bill too. Why stop at human selection if selection is all it takes to be a GMO? Weather selected? Why not? In fact everything that has genetics has changed in some way or another just from being on this Earth, so what's the point? Might as well just say Organism and drop the first part since it's kinda redundant.
 
GreeneryBob

GreeneryBob

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Exactly Booyah. That term being used as a buzzword to vilify certain advanced breeding techniques does nobody any good. I prefer the term "Domesticated organism".
 
dstroy

dstroy

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Booyah! said:
Y'all are describing every crop on Earth. Why even give it a name? And what do you think countries that banned GMOs are eating? I guess they have all gone back to hunting and gathering obviously. Well wait a second, aren't they GMO too? Of course!

You all must be wondering why GMOs even make the news. I bet you really thought the strain GMO was exactly that and can't get the humor.

What about animal selected fruits? Guess they fit the bill too. Why stop at human selection if selection is all it takes to be a GMO? Weather selected? Why not? In fact everything that has genetics has changed in some way or another just from being on this Earth, so what's the point? Might as well just say Organism and drop the first part since it's kinda redundant.
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Animals don’t have free will, humans breed plants with intention. That’s the difference.

Got any more brain busters?

I get that you want me to be wrong cause I’m a total dickhead, but I’m right.
 
JayBio420

JayBio420

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You should all be mature enough to realize you’re splitting hairs. The exact terminology can be defined in one field, and different in another. People often use words with varying accuracy in various contexts. You’ve all contributed to a ruined thread, and that’s unfortunate...

Argue in private messages, nobody is interested in stubborn people ruining our forum time.
 
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