25 yr old seeds

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I’ll look and see if I can find gibberelic acid.Had to google that.

i think i wouldn't try to pop them on paper towels, i'd just soak them and put them straight in your soil (or coco or w/e).
and if you can find a source of mycorrhizae, like recharge or great white, it wouldn't hurt to put a little in each planting hole

 

[myke]

I assume mycorrhizae has the gibber in it?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I assume mycorrhizae has the gibber in it?

no, two different things. gibberllic acid makes plants grow like crazy, unhealthily crazy, if you aren't very very careful with it. but it will make old seeds pop, if they have any life left in them.
mycorrhizae is a type of fungus that forms a beneficial symbiotic relationship with plants roots. the fungus breaks down nutrients into more easily absorb-able forms for the plant, and helps keep the roots healthy, out competeing any harmful bacteria or fungus. the plant "feeds" the fungus with exudates that form on the roots. very good for root growth.
it will help the plant get established. then you can either keep adding it, or not, up to you. running a micro herd requires a little effort, and a decision whether to go organic or sterile...don't worry about that yet..just see if you can get any to pop...

 

[myke]

Thanks,Rodger

 

[Flinttownbrown]

no, two different things. gibberllic acid makes plants grow like crazy, unhealthily crazy, if you aren't very very careful with it. but it will make old seeds pop, if they have any life left in them.
mycorrhizae is a type of fungus that forms a beneficial symbiotic relationship with plants roots. the fungus breaks down nutrients into more easily absorb-able forms for the plant, and helps keep the roots healthy, out competeing any harmful bacteria or fungus. the plant "feeds" the fungus with exudates that form on the roots. very good for root growth.
it will help the plant get established. then you can either keep adding it, or not, up to you. running a micro herd requires a little effort, and a decision whether to go organic or sterile...don't worry about that yet..just see if you can get any to pop...

if you possibly have some examples of how to source these minerals and elements that you're talkin about that would be great appreciate it very much and thank you if you do

 

[hotrodharley]

if you possibly have some examples of how to source these minerals and elements that you're talkin about that would be great appreciate it very much and thank you if you do

Amazon has it all. A nursery supply should have the GA and any grow shop has mycchoriza. eXtreme Gardening Mykos is cheaper than Great White.

 

[18B]

Look up a guy named Tony from Boneyard Seeds...he posts all this information all the time and just went through using G.Acid to pop very old seeds etc...pics, tips.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Amazon has it all. A nursery supply should have the GA and any grow shop has mycchoriza. eXtreme Gardening Mykos is cheaper than Great White.

amazon kind of sucks for chemicals, Ebay has a couple of really good shops, this is a good one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gibberellic-acid-90-10-Gram-Plant-Growth-Hormone-w-Instructions-Spoon-Rebate/221204951174?epid=1331956332&hash=item3380d7b086:g:O5wAAOSwcwhVRZ7J&frcectupt=true

be very careful with GA...it will FUCK a plant UP if used improperly, don't even use it on a plant.
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/GibberellicAcid.htm

scroll down about halfway and they discuss different methods. i'd go with either of the first two, at 500 ppm...

 

[JohnDee]

No nothing happened,Ill try sand paper on the next round.The tap root popped out but thats as far as it went.
I have enough going on as it is so Ill wait for spring and try them outdoors.

Hi Myke,
I just finished germination attempts on almost everything in my old seed collection. Only had about 100 seeds and got 3 plants out of it. 3% germ rate is pretty lousy but better then nothing.

I used scuffing and at various times soaked in GA3, Kineton and humic acid. With the chemicals I'd get taproot but nothing more. My seeds were stored poorly so yours should do better...
JD

 

[myke]

Ya that seems to be my problem. ie tap root on soak but then nothing after. Will try the sand paper as that’s probably my problem
Sucks 100 seeds and only 3!

 

[Herb & Suds]

Ya that seems to be my problem. ie tap root on soak but then nothing after. Will try the sand paper as that’s probably my problem
Sucks 100 seeds and only 3!

Try the peroxide in soaking water after scuffing , it will keep the root from any fungus , which is what sounds like is happening

 

[myke]

Re visiting this,did the sand paper thing. Soaked for 24 hrs. Nothing yet. Going to go some mykos.

 

[piratebug]

I use willow tree tea, get some willow tree twigs, 7 grams, 2 cups of water, boil for 5 minutes, turn off heat, let it cool to 112F, pour 4 or 5 ounces into a small container that has the old seeds in it that you want germinate, then put that on a heating pad for 24 hours, a cable box also works. Then put the seeds into a paper towel, using the willow tea water they were soaking in, into a zip lock bag, but don seal it, then return the zip lock bag to the heating pad or cable box until they crack. I get the best germinating rates for older seeds that way. I have had 40 year old seeds stored in old 35mm aluminum film cases stored in a root / canning cellar, pop in the low 30% ratio!

 

[myke]

I use willow tree tea, get some willow tree twigs, 7 grams, 2 cups of water, boil for 5 minutes, turn off heat, let it cool to 112F, pour 4 or 5 ounces into a small container that has the old seeds in it that you want germinate, then put that on a heating pad for 24 hours, a cable box also works. Then put the seeds into a paper towel, using the willow tea water they were soaking in, into a zip lock bag, but don seal it, then return the zip lock bag to the heating pad or cable box until they crack. I get the best germinating rates for older seeds that way. I have had 40 year old seeds stored in old 35mm aluminum film cases stored in a root / canning cellar, pop in the low 30% ratio!

Thx,forgot about this way.On the hunt for some willows.Cheers.

 

[oswizzle]

Arent there Labs coming out with tech that will allow for these older seeds to germinate with the help of science

 

[JohnDee]

Arent there Labs coming out with tech that will allow for these older seeds to germinate with the help of science

Indeed there is...but at what cost. One technique that I understand will work on almost any live seed...is to use tissue culturing from the tap root. You still need germination which is not too hard with proper technique.
JD

 

[myke]

Ive crracked the first seed open,appears white inside.May have pushed too hard.Will see.