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Fogdog

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Yeah I didn't necessarily mean to bring dissonance into this thread, I think most of us here are absolutely appalled to come to the realization that this type of behavior is being embraced by people in high power and high association in office and affiliations with the people whom are in moderate control of this country, however I think if more agreement could be reached for between us the common people, then more winning could be achieved bringing forth higher understanding as a whole amongst us within the population, the fact that I don't agree with political acsertainment of forceful indoctrination of taught beliefs that most people in this nation conjoin with doesn't mean that I don't agree that this type of activity and behavior shouldn't be allowed by elected officials with power and authority that we place into their hands...

We (should) expect responsibility and assertiveness according the law to be unequivocally upheld and deliberately understood to the maximum by these said officials, I think we agree that there should no place of safe harbor within our government for such individuals to exist within, to allow such behavior among the people in control and people whom have been granted authority over us, I think we agree this is a failure that not one of us conscious of said ongoings should be in agreement with, and that utter foolishness has infiltrated our justice system by those whom have placed themselves above the law, there should not be a safe haven that allows people whom cannot control their sick desires to exist within the decision making organization (gov) of those who are in control of guiding us as a civilization of human beings, those whom cannot control their own flesh should not be in control of the flesh of others.
Republicans will still vote for Trump regardless of what they find out about him. That is one difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrat Franken resigned from office under a scandal for practically nothing compared to what Trump and his cronies have said and done.
 

mustbetribbin

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Republicans will still vote for Trump regardless of what they find out about him. That is one difference between Democrats and Republicans. Democrat Franken resigned from office under a scandal for practically nothing compared to what Trump and his cronies have said and done.
Yes but once you are told to what to adhere to (why accept that you must join a party?) do you not give up your own thoughts, are you not guided and told what you agree with by becoming/being part of a society that a large mass of political energy coming forth from the masses that is guiding you to what you are being told to believe? It's as if you disable your own rightful choices as a human being within a society when you decide to allow a larger party of people to continually decide your rights/governings for you/yourself.

Can you see where you are unconsciously blotting yourself out, making your voice invisible when you decide to blend your own unique understanding of the world, and its inner workings, with the idealizations of the masses, with repetitious ideologies than are continuously ongoing and inter-laden with deceptive philosophies, other inconsistencies that deceive us from knowing and finding the truth about reality, and whom is really in control of this country.

Do you not feel that belonging to one side or the other, is a granted false sense of security? Belonging to a large group must make you feel more in control and that you are part of something larger than yourself, but all the while 5% of the Earth's population is existing in the US, do you feel power from existing within less than 2% of the earth's population depending of which side you claim, the groups we have been giving a choice to choose a side from is much smaller and less powerful than most Americans give credit to, but notice how strongly some of us withhold such beliefs and organized thought regiments that are pressed forward into our thoughts over the decades, does anyone here see where weakness can arise from permanent adherence to a said political party or group of masses whom have most of their decisions made for them already and whom have given up their allegiance to the power that has dissuaded them from believing in their full rightful power to decide for ones self as a citizen of Earth?

I choose not to let others make my decisions for me, and I refuse to believe that the powers over top of me have the right to guide my life in a set order of limits that they themselves make up out of thin air, and that they don't even adhere to themselves, I don't have to abide and neither does anyone else, but has our communal idealization pervaded our thinking as a civilization forced us into thinking that organized affiliations is the best path forward, aren't enough proofs being shown that society itself is misguided as a whole and that man is not properly guiding ourselves into an future that brings forth prosperous things, and that we are being blinded to a vicious cycle of disillusion that does not bring forth ideal rights and provisions for future growth as humans within society, can we not see that our hope as civilians of Earth is being diminished and that we ourselves are disabling the hope that future offspring in this country will be forced to come to terms with?

Sorry but I don't see anything healthy about the course society is following towards by the current set of standards that many abide by, I don't see how our safety and health as a Nation is being pressed forth as a priority among our leaders, I don't not see consideration and care about the lives of human beings being held in highest regard by these said humans currently in power, I see society traveling towards a modern day mid evil age, just like the thread that someone posted here on the forum, I hope that others can become aware that we each play a larger part in where this type of false security is guiding us towards, that is my reasoning for expressing my point here, I would like others to see that their best interest is in my best interest also.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Yes but once you are told to what to adhere to (why accept that you must join a party?) do you not give up your own thoughts, are you not guided and told what you agree with by becoming/being part of a society that a large mass of political energy coming forth from the masses that is guiding you to what you are being told to believe? It's as if you disable your own rightful choices as a human being within a society when you decide to allow a larger party of people to continually decide your rights/governings for you/yourself.

Can you see where you are unconsciously blotting yourself out, making your voice invisible when you decide to blend your own unique understanding of the world, and its inner workings, with the idealizations of the masses, with repetitious ideologies than are continuously ongoing and inter-laden with deceptive philosophies, other inconsistencies that deceive us from knowing and finding the truth about reality, and whom is really in control of this country.

Do you not feel that belonging to one side or the other, is a granted false sense of security? Belonging to a large group must make you feel more in control and that you are part of something larger than yourself, but all the while 5% of the Earth's population is existing in the US, do you feel power from existing within less than 2% of the earth's population depending of which side you claim, the groups we have been giving a choice to choose a side from is much smaller and less powerful than most Americans give credit to, but notice how strongly some of us withhold such beliefs and organized thought regiments that are pressed forward into our thoughts over the decades, does anyone here see where weakness can arise from permanent adherence to a said political party or group of masses whom have most of their decisions made for them already and whom have given up their allegiance to the power that has dissuaded them from believing in their full rightful power to decide for ones self as a citizen of Earth?

I choose not to let others make my decisions for me, and I refuse to believe that the powers over top of me have the right to guide my life in a set order of limits that they themselves make up out of thin air, and that they don't even adhere to themselves, I don't have to abide and neither does anyone else, but has our communal idealization pervaded our thinking as a civilization forced us into thinking that organized affiliations is the best path forward, aren't enough proofs being shown that society itself is misguided as a whole and that man is not properly guiding ourselves into an future that brings forth prosperous things, and that we are being blinded to a vicious cycle of disillusion that does not bring forth ideal rights and provisions for future growth as humans within society, can we not see that our hope as civilians of Earth is being diminished and that we ourselves are disabling the hope that future offspring in this country will be forced to come to terms with?

Sorry but I don't see anything healthy about the course society is following towards by the current set of standards that many abide by, I don't see how our safety and health as a Nation is being pressed forth as a priority among our leaders, I don't not see consideration and care about the lives of human beings being held in highest regard by these said humans currently in power, I see society traveling towards a modern day mid evil age, just like the thread that someone posted here on the forum, I hope that others can become aware that we each play a larger part in where this type of false security is guiding us towards, that is my reasoning for expressing my point here, I would like others to see that their best interest is in my best interest also.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm just sticking to saying that Democrats are in fact different from Republicans. The choice we have right now is one or the other and I reject Republicans. Get specific. Who is making decisions for you and what did they do that you object to? The Congressmen who represent me (Merkely, Wyden and DeFazio) are all pretty good. They are my representatives from Oregon and I pretty much agree with their policies. I track their votes and agree with what did.

If you watch what they do then there is no comparison between Democrats and Republicans.

Do you think Democrats would have begun the 2017 Congress with an attempt to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and repeal Obamacare where 20 million people would have lost coverage?

C'mon man. Kavanaugh was the best choice for the Supreme Court? Forget his scandalous treatment of women, he was just an average student who was born into privilege.

The leader of the Republican party is running the most corrupt administration in US history and the GOP voters support him by more than 80% approval.

I have no idea what you are seeing when you look at the news. From what I see, it's naive to say Republicans are same as Democrats.
 

mustbetribbin

Well-Known Member
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm just sticking to saying that Democrats are in fact different from Republicans. The choice we have right now is one or the other and I reject Republicans. Get specific. Who is making decisions for you and what did they do that you object to? The Congressmen who represent me (Merkely, Wyden and DeFazio) are all pretty good. They are my representatives from Oregon and I pretty much agree with their policies. I track their votes and agree with what did.

If you watch what they do then there is no comparison between Democrats and Republicans.

Do you think Democrats would have begun the 2017 Congress with an attempt to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and repeal Obamacare where 20 million people would have lost coverage?

C'mon man. Kavanaugh was the best choice for the Supreme Court? Forget his scandalous treatment of women, he was just an average student who was born into privilege.

The leader of the Republican party is running the most corrupt administration in US history and the GOP voters support him by more than 80% approval.

I have no idea what you are seeing when you look at the news. From what I see, it's naive to say Republicans are same as Democrats.
That's ok foggy, I like throwing you (& others) a curve ball every now and then, something you might not expect, why only discuss what we are expected to be discussing? I'm just showing you a tiny portion of my thoughts, it's not to be expected as the entirety of what I believe, I am only trying to widen this conversation a bit, you did ask and I do see your side of the story, but there are other perspectives out there, it's all in how you look at things. (Life is better when viewed from multiple perspectives at once imo.)
 

Fogdog

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That's ok foggy, I like throwing you (& others) a curve ball every now and then, something you might not expect, why only discuss what we are expected to be discussing? I'm just showing you a tiny portion of my thoughts, it's not to be expected as the entirety of what I believe, I am only trying to widen this conversation a bit, you did ask and I do see your side of the story, but there are other perspectives out there, it's all in how you look at things. (Life is better when viewed from multiple perspectives at once imo.)
When we have an active and science based response in place to global warming and the decline in the environment, when good health care is available to everybody, when every kid has the same good chance at an excellent education without going under a mountain of debt, when minorities and women have the same chances in the workforce as white men and can safely move about while conducting their every day affairs, then I'll be glad to hear you out.

For today's political issues, it's more about values and policy, not philosophy. Republicans are not the same as Democrats. Not even close.
 
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