Any lab testing on a clone of a clone of a clone?

[theaznal]

Hey,

Has anyone seen any lab tests done that chronicle a plants lineage through successive generations of cloning?
IE, the mother plant from seed was grown out and tested (generation 1), a clone taken, grown out and tested(generation 2), THEN A CLONE FROM THE CLONE taken, grown out and tested. So on and so forth.

I'm looking for evidence that says cloning a clone, of a clone, of a clone, is a viable way to keep a good phenotype alive and just as good as the original seed grown mother.

If that's not the case then keeping the original mothers from seed becomes more important in keeping a particular phenotype alive and powerful for a lone time.

Any thoughts?

 

[promedz]

From my experience and my opinion only.. I started with a mom took clips flowered out the mom.. then kept taking clips and it has been 3-4 years.. still the same plant! Still strong as day one... I only take clips off a happy healthy plant.. if someone clones a plant and then flowers the mom.. and every time he takes a clip the plant isn’t 100 percent happy and healthy then his clone will lose a little every time so depends if you can keep a plant happy and healthy.. who really has the room to keep a mom for 3 years my plants at 3 months are trees never mind a 3 year plant.. I tested the plant a while back if that testing place still around I will test another batch soon..

 

[Renfro]

Due to plant count limitations I am unable to keep mother plants.

That said, I have run a strain without moms back in the day for over 7 years and it never changed.

My current GG4 has been going for 14 generations of cutting and still going strong.

No lab results.

I think a lot of the people say that it loses potency or whatever just got lazy in their growing.

The whole idea of cloning means to make an exact copy. I could see a natrual mutation occurring like maybe 1 in 100,000 times. The mutation could be bad or even good IMO.

 

[jjng5]

So there's no advantage to keeping a mother plant? I always thought that this was the best thing to do as opposed to cloning a clone of a clone of a clone?

 

[Mellow old School]

As mentioned, got space for it, I say do it wit mothers, but you can also as others mention, just continuesly clone from clones, had Zombie Virus eg. for 5 years like that before I lost it. As Renfro also mentioned with his CG4, the strenght of my ZV was always good from first time flowering till its dead at about 20 runs...

 

[ltecato]

Hey,

Has anyone seen any lab tests done that chronicle a plants lineage through successive generations of cloning?
IE, the mother plant from seed was grown out and tested (generation 1), a clone taken, grown out and tested(generation 2), THEN A CLONE FROM THE CLONE taken, grown out and tested. So on and so forth.

I'm looking for evidence that says cloning a clone, of a clone, of a clone, is a viable way to keep a good phenotype alive and just as good as the original seed grown mother.

If that's not the case then keeping the original mothers from seed becomes more important in keeping a particular phenotype alive and powerful for a lone time.

Any thoughts?

I can't find a link to it now, but I recall seeing a study of trees that can reproduce asexually by putting out some kind of underground runner that grows away from the main trunk for a certain number of feet before turning into a "clone" of the mother plant. According to this study, after a certain number of generations, when you get offspring trees growing way the hell away from the mother plant, eventually there is a noticeable and demonstrable difference... and I think they said that the vigor deteriorated somewhat.

Anyway, Texas A&M proved you can't clone a cat and get an exact copy... cat.

"Rainbow the cat is a typical calico with splotches of brown, tan and gold on white. Cc, her clone, has a striped gray coat over white. Rainbow is reserved. Cc is curious and playful. Rainbow is chunky. Cc is sleek."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3076908/ns/health-cloning/t/year-later-cloned-cat-no-copycat/#.XIfq7ezYrkc

 

[lovemfrosty]

I usually keep mothers but in watching some breeder interviews you can find online, lots of them just clone the clones.

I wish i could find the videos, they are online somewhere but breeders have been asked this question too and the responses vary but at least a couple tend to think that stress and infections in the plant are what lead to degradations in clone quality.

Stress can also impact genetics so I suspect if you clone a plant that has seen sufficient stress you could see a change in quality too.

 

[Antitheist]

I can't find a link to it now, but I recall seeing a study of trees that can reproduce asexually by putting out some kind of underground runner that grows away from the main trunk for a certain number of feet before turning into a "clone" of the mother plant. According to this study, after a certain number of generations, when you get offspring trees growing way the hell away from the mother plant, eventually there is a noticeable and demonstrable difference... and I think they said that the vigor deteriorated somewhat.

Anyway, Texas A&M proved you can't clone a cat and get an exact copy... cat.

"Rainbow the cat is a typical calico with splotches of brown, tan and gold on white. Cc, her clone, has a striped gray coat over white. Rainbow is reserved. Cc is curious and playful. Rainbow is chunky. Cc is sleek."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3076908/ns/health-cloning/t/year-later-cloned-cat-no-copycat/#.XIfq7ezYrkc

I'm pretty sure that's a type of aspen tree. Other stuff like some types of bamboo and creeping charlie too. You chop a piece away from the parent and it will grow it's own roots.
I vaguely remember reading about a bush in Australia that has been cloning itself over and over for something like 10000 years. I don't know how they would determine this.

 

[Thundercat]

I've ran multiple strains for 4+ years at different times. I've got 2 right now that old. I turn a clone into a new mother plant about every 6-12 months. I keep small mothers that still allow me to pull a bunch of cuts at a time, but don't take up much space.

 

[Hash Hound]

I gave my friend a clone of a killer freak pheno Dutch Passion White Widow (freebie) he has kept clone of clone going for 8 years now.
Better than anything I've smoked this century by far. I ordered more seeds that were good, but not as AAA+++ as the original
I get a few back from him every once in a while and the potency has still been there until the last two times I've grown them. Still a good A+ but not like the original.
I made a soso attempt at making seeds the last time I grew one and only got about a 10 decent seeds.
My friend has one 5 weeks flowering but I havent seen it since the corona virus, he said its out growing everything else in the room.
I have one I just sprouted and it's taller than all the other sprouts.
I cant wait to try her. If she is AAA+++ then case closed, no loss of potency.
I hope to be back in a few months with good results.

 

[theaznal]

I gave my friend a clone of a killer freak pheno Dutch Passion White Widow (freebie) he has kept clone of clone going for 8 years now.
Better than anything I've smoked this century by far. I ordered more seeds that were good, but not as AAA+++ as the original
I get a few back from him every once in a while and the potency has still been there until the last two times I've grown them. Still a good A+ but not like the original.
I made a soso attempt at making seeds the last time I grew one and only got about a 10 decent seeds.
My friend has one 5 weeks flowering but I havent seen it since the corona virus, he said its out growing everything else in the room.
I have one I just sprouted and it's taller than all the other sprouts.
I cant wait to try her. If she is AAA+++ then case closed, no loss of potency.
I hope to be back in a few months with good results.

do tell !!

 

[Hash Hound]

He's also kept my Widow Querkle going since 2012 and the Dinachem since 2014. They seem to be doing even better than the WW.
They don't have the stretch like the WW. I smoked some of the Dinachem yesterday and it's still good as mom.

 

[theaznal]

He's also kept my Widow Querkle going since 2012 and the Dinachem since 2014. They seem to be doing even better than the WW.
They don't have the stretch like the WW. I smoked some of the Dinachem yesterday and it's still good as mom.

thats happy news.