Light Ballast Fried. New light. switch to LED or stay HPS?

rkymtnman

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Lol dude really - its a 360 degree discharge placed under a reflector - its uniformity and spetrum strength are pretty much awesome - leds however overlap and create fluxes of light not to mention that low wattage will always struggle to hold spectrum over distance.

What happened recently is we looked at the science and found led lacking in many places ppfd to be one - so we simply trolled them off till they started acting like real growers not haters with some amazing product.

Now moving forward and i find many deficient in the dry and cure and like leds have followed some stupid science that is wrong and left them less so experienced against us crafting mofos who have been running our own business since way before this legal rubbish and led hype started up.

If you cant give realistic information then troll you will but assume most will troll the trolls out as basic facts now trump your ideology.

Good luck for the future - if you havent learnt by now your fucked pretty much :-)
blah blah blah. try to stay on topic. diffuse light, ok?

I have a scientific article regarding diffuse vs single point light but it's from 2009. since your stuck in 1960's technology, will you have a way to read it? maybe you can convert Windows 8 to punch cards that your IBM mainframe can read?
 

coreywebster

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That's exactly what it is. (General Hydroponics CocoTek)

Nutes: General Hydroponics Flora Grow, Flora Bloom, and Flora Micro and CALiMAGic (since I'm using Coco Coir)

PPM/EC honestly, I don't even measure it. I have a cheap meter that came with a water purifier container thing. (you put water in top and it filters it down into a big plastic container)
but I never use the meter to test.

I use my tap water to mix with the nutes to feed. I know you're suppose to PH text/balance, but I never did with my other grow and it came out without any problems.

Actually, I did have (one) problem, and having it with this grow as well. The whole curling down of the leaf tips. But I didn't have the brown crusty leaves last time. They were perfectly green. I'm thinking i've over done it with the nutes.

It's hard for me to measure it out well because I try to pour the nutes on a tiny teaspoon over the water pail and end up putting too much in sometimes. I need to find some sort of compatible pump to screw onto the nute bottle tops or something.



for the most part, I keep my grow room door shut. but there's been a few occasions that I've accidentally left it open and my cats went it there. I dunno if he sprayed or not though but I wouldn't doubt it. He's a hellion..lol
Get a big syringe and rubber tube or take a syringe apart and pour exact amounts in.
Or just a small measuring jug.
Mix 20ltrs or more at a time and you shouldn't be dealing with teaspoons.
PH PH PH PH PH.
 
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Chip Green

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Trying to decipher the incoherent, rambling, nonsense of Kingrow is quite a challenge. Blathering on
Dont be a noob dude - we quote veg time with yeilds as i could yeild even more with time.

Thats how you leds do it, omit facts to make yeilds bigger - us good growers see straight through the lies bro :-)
Veg time is irrelevant. Two words- foot, print....
I have no hatred for HID, I own some, use them regularly.
The FACT you fail to observe consistently, is that certain LED technology does exist, that can suitably illuminate a LARGER area, using the same amount of power.

Now feel free to blather on about science, and how you and the many, many others you refer too (whom we never hear from) have seen the results, and all LED users are just making up stories....
 

TacoMac

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Pay no attention to kingblow, hes never even used what we consider quality led and I doubt he even grows on anything more than a hobby scale..
Correct. The guy is a patent nimrod that runs his mouth non-stop about things he knows nothing about.

When it comes to QUALITY LED's, such as the COB fixtures made by Timber, they're every bit as good as HPS. The problem however is how expensive they are. The cost, unless you live in a VERY high prices KPH area, make them prohibitive.

But that doesn't mean they aren't every bit as good. They are. I still use my 600 watt MH/HPS for the simple reason that it's far, far cheaper than a quality, equivalent COB fixture.
 
Holy shit folks! I'm as new as you can get in this forum and damn! Don't know if I came to the right place. I look to my experience with weed as an escape from the drama. Grow with what works for you personally and be happy with it. I've used both with badass results from both. Stay hi
 

TacoMac

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Holy shit folks! I'm as new as you can get in this forum and damn! Don't know if I came to the right place. I look to my experience with weed as an escape from the drama. Grow with what works for you personally and be happy with it. I've used both with badass results from both. Stay hi
Welcome, new sock puppet.
 

purpaterp

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I've tried to do my own research for the past year that I've grown but i'm finally swallowing my pride and asking for help.

I've had a few problems but I've successfully grown 4 plants from seed with around 2 ounces (dry) from each plant. (2 Liberty Haze, 1 Peyote Critical, 1 blueberry)

My grow room is pretty much just a plywood boxed-in area in my garage.
It's 4ft wide, 4ft long, and 8.5 tall.
I positioned it to where its right below the attic access panel. (Basically just a square piece of drywall in the ceiling)

That way, I could vent up there if the grow room got TOO hot. I know it's not ideal but it's worked fine and has saved me having to buy an inline fan and duct work. Not to mention buying another hood for my light, since it's the wing type.

My light is a 1000w ipower Electronic ballast HPS/MH.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005F642CQ/

I know it's not the best, but it was on sale for $149 including tax and shipping.

I also grow for personal use and curiosity of trying new strains.
I don't sell, so I can't really justify to myself spending a ton of money by saying I'll get the money back quickly on the first grow.

Well, my power went off/on about 5 times a couple nights ago and when I went to check on my plants the next morning, the light was off and It was completely silent. Usually I hear the sound of the fans in the ballast running but they weren't even spinning anymore. I tried unplugging/re-plugging in, another outlet, changing bulbs, giving it a break then trying again etc but it appears that somehow the ballast has died.

I've contacted ipower about their 2 year warranty but i'm not too optimistic that it will be successful for whatever reason. And if it is, I think they will want me to send it off to be repaired, and I don't have time to wait since my new grow needs light..

I have a crappy-ish LED light I got for free on Amazon for leaving a review on the plants right now, but I know it's not going to be enough for long term.

So with my main light dying, I figure now is a good time to consider getting a better light.
Either the same type I had before (HPS/MH) or upgrade to a LED light since I hear they are supposedly the
"New wave".

I've researched some and this is what I'm thinking:

HPS/MH

Pros -
• higher harvest:cost ratio than LED (factoring only product cost)
• higher canopy penetration

Cons -
• lots of heat that may need additional equipment to buy to cool it
• higher footprint on electric bill
• replace bulbs every year or two which can be expensive
• less efficient leading to a lot of wasted energy/light


LED

Pros-
• smaller footprint on electrical bill. (save money)
• leds last for much longer than HPS/MH (save money not having to buy bulbs every year or two)
• more efficient leading to less wasted energy/light

Cons-
• much higher COST:Harvest ratio than HPS/MH (since the only good quality ones seem to cost hundreds)
• less canopy penetration, therefore much less harvest on all parts of the plant except the Top
• market saturated with low quality LED grow lights with many products imitating the most popular GOOD Led lights leads you to not know what you're buying, unless you spend even more money buying from re-sellers who mark the original prices up so they can make profit.


I may not be right on some of this, but this is just what I've theorized from what I have researched.

Getting to the point though, I need a new light and I'm trying to decide between HPS/MH or LED.

I'd light to spend between 200-400. Does LED only make sense if you have much more to spend?

I'm growing 6 plants by the way. I'm growing in Coco Coir/Perlite with General Hydroponics Flora Grow, Flora Bloom, and Flora Micro. Also using General Hydroponics CALiMAGic since Coco Coir needs it.

I have no problem putting together a kit if need be. I just want the best light I can get for that price range and can light a 4x4 grow room with 6 plants.
Just out of curiosity was the led a yehence brand?
 

Sawzall77

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I’m really liking what timber has... the COB Vera kits... I don’t own it but they look nice for the price!
 

big tony

Active Member
Just out of curiosity was the led a yehence brand?
Nah, it was a brand called "Minger". It's $85 on Amazon but I got it for free for leaving a good review.

I used to work with companies that would give me free products as long as I wrote a good detailed review with 5 stars. Eventually I got Review-Banned by Amazon.

So I can't leave any reviews anymore or even ask questions about products. It was worth it though.
I got a ton of products worth $10-$150 for free.

I think lots of these cheap led lights come from the same sources. Companies just slap their logos onto them.

The light is ok. It included an app that connects via Bluetooth to the light. The app has a timer,on/off switch, and a few different light ratio settings to choose which lights you want lit. It wasn't bad for free, but I definitely wouldn't pay $85 for it. You'd need probably at least 4-6 of them for a decent grow.


Jeeezz poor plants, fix your light says my OCDC
lol that's not the setup I usually use. My original light broke, so as an emergency, I threw up a cheap LED I had laying around. Just so the plants would still have a light source until my new one came in.


is that ones of those things you fill with hot water to keep warm back in the day? lol




As far as an update, So I the new light I ordered from Growhouse (Sun System LEC 315w CMH Ceramic MH Light Fixture 120v 3100k) well, due to some error, apparently the light was NOT in--stock even though it was listed as it. I emailed customer service after a few days of my order still showing "processing" and they checked with their supplier and was told the light was on back-order for 4-6 weeks..

They then suggested other lights around the same price.

Well.. I asked them to check with their boss to see if I could get some kind of discount/upgrade since I was counting on this coming fast with being in the middle of a grow.

I asked them if I could get one of the lights I like.(Eye Hortilux CMH 315w Grow Light System 120-240 Volt) The light is $486.67 on their site.
I told them to apply the amount I've already given then for the other light ($303.91) and that I would even pay $50 more, for a total of $353.91


They told their boss, and the boss himself replied back and said normally they wouldn't be able to accept that, but given the circumstances of their error, they would honor this.

So i got the $486 light for $353. Saving $133. So, I'm currently waiting on the light. It should be here tomorrow or Wednesday.

I like the look of it. Hopefully it works well. I know it's a good known brand.


 
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PURPLEB3RRYKUSH

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Nah, it was a brand called "Minger". It's $85 on Amazon but I got it for free for leaving a good review.

I used to work with companies that would give me free products as long as I wrote a good detailed review with 5 stars. Eventually I got Review-Banned by Amazon.

So I can't leave any reviews anymore or even ask questions about products. It was worth it though.
I got a ton of products worth $10-$150 for free.

I think lots of these cheap led lights come from the same sources. Companies just slap their logos onto them.

The light is ok. It included an app that connects via Bluetooth to the light. The app has a timer,on/off switch, and a few different light ratio settings to choose which lights you want lit. It wasn't bad for free, but I definitely wouldn't pay $85 for it. You'd need probably at least 4-6 of them for a decent grow.




lol that's not the setup I usually use. My original light broke, so as an emergency, I threw up a cheap LED I had laying around. Just so the plants would still have a light source until my new one came in.



is that ones of those things you fill with hot water to keep warm back in the day? lol




As far as an update, So I the new light I ordered from Growhouse (Sun System LEC 315w CMH Ceramic MH Light Fixture 120v 3100k) well, due to some error, apparently the light was NOT in--stock even though it was listed as it. I emailed customer service after a few days of my order still showing "processing" and they checked with their supplier and was told the light was on back-order for 4-6 weeks..

They then suggested other lights around the same price.

Well.. I asked them to check with their boss to see if I could get some kind of discount/upgrade since I was counting on this coming fast with being in the middle of a grow.

I asked them if I could get one of the lights I like.(Eye Hortilux CMH 315w Grow Light System 120-240 Volt) The light is $486.67 on their site.
I told them to apply the amount I've already given then for the other light ($303.91) and that I would even pay $50 more, for a total of $353.91


They told their boss, and the boss himself replied back and said normally they wouldn't be able to accept that, but given the circumstances of their error, they would honor this.

So i got the $486 light for $353. Saving $133. So, I'm currently waiting on the light. It should be here tomorrow or Wednesday.

I like the look of it. Hopefully it works well. I know it's a good known brand.


Those lights are top notch, they produce the dense dank
 

bongrip101

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I would consider a Sunsystem DE 1000w HPS ballast with a quality DE reflector and the Growers Choice 630 Watt CMH bulb. Note this bulb will not run on a Phantom ballast and is not recommended for use with nanolux ballasts..
I just purchased these based on your recommendation, thanks for the advice :bigjoint:
 
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