Beachwalker
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You're right this guy's an Noob who talks out his ass and his information should be avoided like the plague
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13-11 LIGHTING SCHEDULE during FLOWERING - JUST DON'T DO IT FOR MAXIMUM YIELD!
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CoB_nUt
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Been running 10/14 for minimum of 4 years.11/13 for like 4+ years before that.
My plants don't mind.Neither does my light bill.
Yeild? lol luckily I don't vend or need to vend my goods to live,which allows me to tinker and experiment.
I can guarantee I get great yeilds regardless of flower cycle,my environment is pretty close to dialed in for the system I run.
I've seen better flower development as well as faster maturation with some cultivars under these cycles.But yea,it's all anecdotal and bro science on my end.Oh yea,I'm exaggerating too.
Thanks for reading
My plants don't mind.Neither does my light bill.
Yeild? lol luckily I don't vend or need to vend my goods to live,which allows me to tinker and experiment.
I can guarantee I get great yeilds regardless of flower cycle,my environment is pretty close to dialed in for the system I run.
I've seen better flower development as well as faster maturation with some cultivars under these cycles.But yea,it's all anecdotal and bro science on my end.Oh yea,I'm exaggerating too.
Thanks for reading
blowincherrypie
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awwwww snap!!! hit us with a growweedeasy link..
… you my friend, are clearly a master grower.. Now.. tell us how great advanced nutrients are
Actuosity
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What we really need is someone with a mother ans clone to take two clones, flower one at 12/12 and the other at 13/11 to see if theres any real difference. Two different strains with two different light methods will yoeld different results. I can plant an apple tree and an orange tree at the same time but they’ll flower at different rated and fruit with very different yields.
boilingoil
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Lets see. Last time I looked at it, it takes light and CO2 to produce carbohydrates for the plant to use as material for growth. So sure if one of the ingredients are lacking how would the plant be able to produce the same with less carbohydrate production.
I guess this plant deifies the laws of physics.
Someone show me where photosynthesis happen in the absence of light.
I guess this plant deifies the laws of physics.
Someone show me where photosynthesis happen in the absence of light.
Actuosity
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Im not arguing against you here or anyone on this post but photosynthesis has two cycles both which create ADP and NADPH, which are important necessary steps in the growth of all vegitation.
Carbohydrates arn't the endpoint of energy just a step in the process, plants are able to produce energy in many many different ways. The end point is broken down into a few different types of energy, most common being ADP and NADPH in plants.
"Light reactions need light to produce organic energy molecules (ATP and NADPH). They are initiated by colored pigments, mainly green colored chlorophylls.Dark reactions make use of these organic energy molecules (ATP and NADPH). This reaction cycle is also called Calvin Benison Cycle, and it occurs in the stroma. " http://www.eschooltoday.com/photosynthesis/dark-and-light-reactions.html
I have about 5 chapters on it in my botany textbook but here's a rough and easy breakdown in this link.
Again not trying to be an asshole, just inform. You asked It has been delivered.
The important thing that we need to look at here with cannabis is the main outcome that we want. Typically during vegetative growth the reason you can do 18/6 or 24/0 is because you want as much of that active light reactions to build carbohydrates in the plant that allow the plant to grow stronger, thicker vegetative parts to eventually hold up to the strength of the flower. we switch to less light during flower for a few reason, simulate nature and change in season which initiates different cycles within the plant giving the plant the energy and process start ups required to flower. And to allow for the plant to "breathe" One of the main purposes of plants fruiting before the end of the light season is to allow the plant to complete its grow cycle before its natural death through the season. Less light doesn't mean less energy for the plant its just a different energy. With cannabis you need a combination of light and dark for the buds, the flowers will tend to grow heavier during the evening during the CO2 release of the plant. (Yes plants breathe) This release process happens most strongly through flower sites on a plant which pushes nutrients and energy along with it through to the flowers of the plant. The light cycle is required to keep the plant strong and alive to allow it to bear its beautiful fruits. Most people commonly use 12/12 during flower for cannabis because its been proven practice works. Different strains, phenotype, environment and grow methods. can lead to either longer or shorter light spans during flower.
All plants need day and night cycles, they need to breathe and express the energy from the leaves and roots to the fruits and flowers.
Simplified: Day produces more energy than night for most plants, however during the day that energy is mostly stored inside the leaves and roots. During night the plant "exhales" and goes through different photosynthetic processes that transport the energy stored throughout the plant to the important and new growth areas on the plant.
edit: "ways"
EL Connoisseur
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Ok thats all sounds well and right..
May ask you something also?
Based on the above paragraph..Why does this function is true? > ''More light=More yield''..
If the day energy from the light is mostly stored inside the leaves and roots and during night the plant "exhales" and goes through different photosynthetic processes that transport the energy stored throughout the plant to the important and new growth areas on the plant (copy paste ofc
) , as you exaclty said?Ofc no offens..i am just curious to learn bro!
Thanks for your time and all this info you gave me!
Cheers bro!
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Actuosity
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Ok thats all sounds well and right..
May ask you something also?
Based on the above paragraph..Why does this function is true? > ''More light=More yield''..
If the day energy from the light is mostly stored inside the leaves and roots and during night the plant "exhales" and goes through different photosynthetic processes that transport the energy stored throughout the plant to the important and new growth areas on the plant (copy paste ofc
Ofc no offens..i am just curious to learn bro!
Thanks for your time and all this info you gave me!
Cheers bro!
More light I assume you mean using 600W versus 1200W and that just basic.
You have more energy produced with 1200W during the day than 600W thus leading to more energy to be trasnported during the evening.
If you mean more light time then you have to give me some references to controlled tests with clones, Im not opening an arguement with someone who doesn't want to learn. The information is there do with it what you wish.
boilingoil
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I appreciate your honest response. But energy doesn't produce plant matter, simple sugars do.
Again show me where photosynthesis happens in the absence of light. Now if it said respiration instead of photosynthetic processes I would of had no trouble with that statement.
Actuosity
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Again not starting an arguement with someone who doesn't want to learn, but respiration is part of photosynthesis and the energy created and transportation of energy is required to use those simple sugars. There's no teaching indivduals like you, you just wish to be right (in arguement not in reality) and not informed. Im outa here.
HitemwiththeHine
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The subject at hand was light cycle, it has since been moved to photosynthesis.
He tried explaining it but you guys won't listen.
In very simple terms: The plant collects food in the day, and does its work at night. If you give it plenty of food, you can give it a bit longer to work. It's helpful.
Simple enough?
He tried explaining it but you guys won't listen.
In very simple terms: The plant collects food in the day, and does its work at night. If you give it plenty of food, you can give it a bit longer to work. It's helpful.
Simple enough?
blowincherrypie
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@Dr. Who @GroErr @churchhaze I kinda remember you guys messing around with lighting schedules..
edit: I respect you guys.. any opinions or light that can be shed for us?
@torontoke didn't you experiment with your schedule also brother?
edit: I respect you guys.. any opinions or light that can be shed for us?
@torontoke didn't you experiment with your schedule also brother?
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Thundercat
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Hi all cannaculties!..I would like to share my knowledge about the lighting schedule during flowering phase..A guy who works in my local hydro store, told me to run the flowering with this schedule 13off-11on..i am now at day 15 of flowering..indeed i saw one difference between this run and my last one which was running on 12-12 schedule..the results are that in day 14 of 13/11, my flowers are like day 9 of 12/12.. i have lost 14hours of light totally..i dont have photos of this run..but the difference is totally noticable..this run i have more and better light and also i have co2 which i didnt have in 12-12..in addition my nutrients are better this run..and everything is better as i get better every next run..i have a photo of my previous 12/12 day 15 which i ll show you below the text..i realized that i should run 12/12 and i decided to switch from 13/11 to 12/12 even if i stress the plants a little.just to know this run includes 4 OGKush from dinafem..my previous 12/12 run was critical kush barneys farm..take a look from the previous run(12/12) day15.. and a photo also from the previous run(12/12) day 9, which is exactly the same as my new og kush day 14(13/11)...do you believe i can fix the difference about the final yield of the OGkush Dinafem now that i put it 12/12 even if it gets stressed a little bit?..
Thank you for passing by and i appreciate experienced answers!
Keep it flowering dudes!
Cheers
First off don't listen to anything a guy at a hydro shop tells you unless you have seen their grow and you KNOW they know their stuff. Hydro shop employees are other times morons that don't really grow, they just repeat stuff they have "heard".
Secondly I see 3 problems that will impact your situation more then a 13/11 cycle:
1- genetics had already been discussed, but majorly impacts growth. Different genetics develope differently and require different care. These plants won't grow the same as your last plants period.
2- you flowered an immature plant. Plants will not flower until they are genetically mature. You can run plants on 12/12 from seed and they will still typically take 6-8 weeks for them to start flowering.
3- FLowering does NOT start when you flip to 12/12!!! The plant must go through it's transition stage from veg to flower. This typically takes 7-21 days depending on genetics and environment. Flowering begins when the plant starts to form flowers. This is not debateable, 12/12 is a totally arbitrary number, not something magical that instantly flowers your plants.
I saw you post in another thread the other day that plants won't flower if they have more then 12 hours of light, and that's just wrong too. You really need to STOP giving other people advice when you don't understand the topics at hand. That's one of the biggest issues with new growers like your self. You read something one place or "hear it" from a guy and then repeat it all over the place.
Learn to actually grow before you tell others how to grow.
Covetsculitvars
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Sometimes commen sense offends folks......idk why cause commen sense is like a big warm hug
Dr. Who
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^^^THIS is your difference! Not "14" hrs of "lost" lighting time!^^^ Gassing is why, period!Hi all cannaculties!..I would like to share my knowledge about the lighting schedule during flowering phase..A guy who works in my local hydro store, told me to run the flowering with this schedule 13off-11on..i am now at day 15 of flowering..indeed i saw one difference between this run and my last one which was running on 12-12 schedule..the results are that in day 14 of 13/11, my flowers are like day 9 of 12/12.. i have lost 14hours of light totally..i dont have photos of this run..but the difference is totally noticable..this run i have more and better light and also i have co2 which i didnt have in 12-12..in addition my nutrients are better this run..and everything is better as i get better every next run..i have a photo of my previous 12/12 day 15 which i ll show you below the text..i realized that i should run 12/12 and i decided to switch from 13/11 to 12/12 even if i stress the plants a little.just to know this run includes 4 OGKush from dinafem..my previous 12/12 run was critical kush barneys farm..take a look from the previous run(12/12) day15.. and a photo also from the previous run(12/12) day 9, which is exactly the same as my new og kush day 14(13/11)...do you believe i can fix the difference about the final yield of the OGkush Dinafem now that i put it 12/12 even if it gets stressed a little bit?..
Thank you for passing by and i appreciate experienced answers!
Keep it flowering dudes!
Cheers
I agree with your salesman!
I run 11 on 13 off and do so for much more stable growth through out the bloom cycle!
I get a better, more positive finish..
The idea of 12/12 is simply a common point where strain wise, all cannabis will bloom and progress well.
Through out the length of bloom.....I don't feel I loose more then a few days vs. 12/12, and that's decades of experience talking.....
As far as any yield difference between 11 on and 12 on. I have never seen one that is worth any mention or is in any way consistent! You will see one once you get under 10/14 and it decreases faster the less you go...
Depending on how long you run to harvest, and with gassing. You should see an increase.
Yet, in time and with learning, you can get close enough to gassing yields where you can quit gassing and save actual $, while being so close yield wise between them. You'll wonder why gassing and spending $ on it was really needed....
A brief word on bloom time for you.....Run at least 1-2 weeks longer then any seed breeder reports.......I run long, I run for potentials and I get better results by ignoring any "8 week rule"!
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Dr. Who
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This is not exactly correct!
I've bloomed straight from seed and had acceptable success....in less then 6-8 weeks to start blooming.
In getting those monster GPW #'s involved flowering plants of very short veg periods. 6-8 inch tall plants do not take 6-8 weeks to reach that size at all..
I'm sorry but, I don't count the hormonal change and the stretch as not being "bloom"...... It's accepted to be part of bloom, and is counted as being bloom by every nutrient maker in their charting.
How often do we have to correct some nutrient makers feed charts that count the way I do.....It's simple/easy to just help a person by adjusting their feeding and still use the charting of bloom time as the makers do.....ie, We would confuse the bejeebers out of most people by trying to change something printed on every damn bottle out there as being "wrong"....
Not to be pissy or in your face but, this is my experience....
Thundercat
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Your not being pissy or in my face. What I posted was just from my experiance and research as well.
I did say "typically" 12/12 from seed will still take a certain amount of time to begin flowering because they need to mature. Certainly there are exceptions and some genetics will start faster. Perhaps 4-8 weeks would have been a better range. The point is plants don't begin to flower until the are genetically capable.
If you look into more nutrient lines, especially non cannabis specific lines many actually mention the transition phase as a separate period
. The only people I've encountered that commonly accept 12/12 time as "flower time" are indoor cannabis growers that don't want to differentiate the phases.
You wouldn't say a plant is flowering outdoors until you saw flowers forming. It can take weeks for a plant to transition into flower from veg, and so counting from 12/12 is totally arbitrary since different plants start at different times and environment will change all of it.
I'm not trying to be pissy or offensive either but this is really basic biology and people try to over look that and think they are gods.
You said you always run 1-2 weeks longer then the breeders say, but if you counted from when the plants actually began to flower you would be flowering for the perfect amount of time. Some times they still need more time then listed because of the phenotype.
Most breeders time estimates are just that loose estimates, but when a breeder says flower time, he understands that it means from when a plant shows flowers, not from 12/12 unless they specifically list it as 12/12 time.
I know you know your stuff so I'm not trying to fight but I think you should give more consideration to the whole picture, instead of following what is commonly accepted. Based on my experiance the commonly accepted isn't always correct. People commonly call bracts calyxs, and stigma pistils. Hell I did for years until I learned that was wrong. People commonly defoliate and flush their plants but after learning more about growing I learned that was wrong.
I did say "typically" 12/12 from seed will still take a certain amount of time to begin flowering because they need to mature. Certainly there are exceptions and some genetics will start faster. Perhaps 4-8 weeks would have been a better range. The point is plants don't begin to flower until the are genetically capable.
If you look into more nutrient lines, especially non cannabis specific lines many actually mention the transition phase as a separate period
. The only people I've encountered that commonly accept 12/12 time as "flower time" are indoor cannabis growers that don't want to differentiate the phases. You wouldn't say a plant is flowering outdoors until you saw flowers forming. It can take weeks for a plant to transition into flower from veg, and so counting from 12/12 is totally arbitrary since different plants start at different times and environment will change all of it.
I'm not trying to be pissy or offensive either but this is really basic biology and people try to over look that and think they are gods.
You said you always run 1-2 weeks longer then the breeders say, but if you counted from when the plants actually began to flower you would be flowering for the perfect amount of time. Some times they still need more time then listed because of the phenotype.
Most breeders time estimates are just that loose estimates, but when a breeder says flower time, he understands that it means from when a plant shows flowers, not from 12/12 unless they specifically list it as 12/12 time.
I know you know your stuff so I'm not trying to fight but I think you should give more consideration to the whole picture, instead of following what is commonly accepted. Based on my experiance the commonly accepted isn't always correct. People commonly call bracts calyxs, and stigma pistils. Hell I did for years until I learned that was wrong. People commonly defoliate and flush their plants but after learning more about growing I learned that was wrong.
dstroy
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Your not being pissy or in my face. What I posted was just from my experiance and research as well.
I did say "typically" 12/12 from seed will still take a certain amount of time to begin flowering because they need to mature. Certainly there are exceptions and some genetics will start faster. Perhaps 4-8 weeks would have been a better range. The point is plants don't begin to flower until the are genetically capable.
If you look into more nutrient lines, especially non cannabis specific lines many actually mention the transition phase as a separate period
You wouldn't say a plant is flowering outdoors until you saw flowers forming. It can take weeks for a plant to transition into flower from veg, and so counting from 12/12 is totally arbitrary since different plants start at different times and environment will change all of it.
I'm not trying to be pissy or offensive either but this is really basic biology and people try to over look that and think they are gods.
You said you always run 1-2 weeks longer then the breeders say, but if you counted from when the plants actually began to flower you would be flowering for the perfect amount of time. Some times they still need more time then listed because of the phenotype.
Most breeders time estimates are just that loose estimates, but when a breeder says flower time, he understands that it means from when a plant shows flowers, not from 12/12 unless they specifically list it as 12/12 time.
I know you know your stuff so I'm not trying to fight but I think you should give more consideration to the whole picture, instead of following what is commonly accepted. Based on my experiance the commonly accepted isn't always correct. People commonly call bracts calyxs, and stigma pistils. Hell I did for years until I learned that was wrong. People commonly defoliate and flush their plants but after learning more about growing I learned that was wrong.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of pruning.
Change my mind.
Thundercat
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There is nothing wrong with a bit of pruning I didn't say there was.
