Cannabis legalization in Canada is truly Reefer Madness 2.0 (long read)

[SatIndy]

Yup if you supply anyone under 19 you can get up to 14 years. You can rape a kid and get less....stupid as hell.
The cheapest and easiest way to grow may be outdoor if your setup is ok. As you mentioned there are things that may make that impossible. But if you can it's maybe the best way to get some weed inexpensively. The plants will grow big and provide you with a good amount if they grow decent. You can condition the soil and don't need many nutrients that way. So cheap cheap cheap.
Indoor is fun but much more costly.

Yeah, that's some messed up laws right there

I might put some on the balcony when things start growing around the yard, for cover. (You know, 'the neighbour' and all... Don't trust him one bit.) Just got the electric bill though... So outdoors in the Summer sounds pretty good right about now. Holy shit. It was in the minus 30's for an extra long time though, so hard to tell what's what. But... wow.

I guess the night temps would be the concern? How cold is too cold to put them outside?

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

Yeah, that's some messed up laws right there

I might put some on the balcony when things start growing around the yard, for cover. (You know, 'the neighbour' and all... Don't trust him one bit.) Just got the electric bill though... So outdoors in the Summer sounds pretty good right about now. Holy shit. It was in the minus 30's for an extra long time though, so hard to tell what's what. But... wow.

I guess the night temps would be the concern? How cold is too cold to put them outside?

I am doing both. I have a 4x5 tent with a 900w led with 5, but I haven't got a power bill yet so I can't speak on the cost. I am also putting (at least) 8 clones outside. I live on a small island in BC - everybody grows, so no worries about neighbours. I am hoping to get mine out in about 3 weeks. The weather is warm enough and we have over 15 hrs of sun. We're averaging 14c during the day and 8c or so at night - should be up a few degrees by the middle of April. I just gotta get the deer fencing done - those bastards love weed!

 

[The Hippy]

Yeah, that's some messed up laws right there

I might put some on the balcony when things start growing around the yard, for cover. (You know, 'the neighbour' and all... Don't trust him one bit.) Just got the electric bill though... So outdoors in the Summer sounds pretty good right about now. Holy shit. It was in the minus 30's for an extra long time though, so hard to tell what's what. But... wow.

I guess the night temps would be the concern? How cold is too cold to put them outside?

Not sure on the temp Q. i've never grown any outdoor. Tell the neighbor your growing a plant for him.

 

[SatIndy]

I am doing both. I have a 4x5 tent with a 900w led with 5, but I haven't got a power bill yet so I can't speak on the cost. I am also putting (at least) 8 clones outside. I live on a small island in BC - everybody grows, so no worries about neighbours. I am hoping to get mine out in about 3 weeks. The weather is warm enough and we have over 15 hrs of sun. We're averaging 14c during the day and 8c or so at night - should be up a few degrees by the middle of April. I just gotta get the deer fencing done - those bastards love weed!

*sigh* I miss BC
An island, no less! Nice.

I'd be totally interested in how much your bill went up. But you have more l lights than me - 'coz I'm only in a 2.5 x 2.5 sq. ft. Tag me when you find out? Just curious.

In AB - the usage was $96 - but after all the admin, delivery, distribution, and transmission charges, the balancing pool allocation, rate riders... and local access fees... the total for just electric grew to $330. Unbelievable

Good luck with those deer. I'm trying to save some trees from Spring snacks

 

[ANC]

Why, you can just calculate it...

Lets say your lights actually drew 900W. Then in flower, it is 12 x 0.9 x 7 kW units per week. Just multiply the answer with your cost per unit.

I like to know the costs in terms of grams of weed. Ie.e. the electricity is 8 grams of weed (in money), the food is 7 grams of weed etc... makes it easier to decide of the costs are viable when considering something new.

 

[SatIndy]

Not sure on the temp Q. i've never grown any outdoor. Tell the neighbor your growing a plant for him.

Well, you know how it goes... the ppl who need it the most, don't even know it

 

[SatIndy]

Why, you can just calculate it...

Lets say your lights actually drew 900W. Then in flower, it is 12 x 0.9 x 7 kW units per week. Just multiply the answer with your cost per unit.

I like to know the costs in terms of grams of weed. Ie.e. the electricity is 8 grams of weed (in money), the food is 7 grams of weed etc... makes it easier to decide of the costs are viable when considering something new.

Well that's a pretty cool equation. I get that the 12 is hours, and the 0.9 is 900w - but where is the 7kW units/week from? How would I know? Thanks.

 

[Pa-Nature]

You are allowed 4 rec per house but no one is coming to count. If you're growing 10 for medical use and you're not selling I doubt any court would convict anyway.

Not in Mb........ No personal growing allowed

 

[ANC]

12 hours per dayx0.9kW =10.8kWHx7 days= units in kWH per week. your meter likely just reads these as single units.

I would start with a Kill a watt plug to measure how much power the light actually draws.

 

[herbs1]

Maybe consider switching over to cob lighting. I used to use a 300w and a 150 w light for a 3x3 but ditched those and got cobs.

you can get a 200w cob setup and dim it down during veg..... that would save you some money. plus you might yield a lot more. it's a lot cooler too.

*sigh* I miss BC
An island, no less! Nice.

I'd be totally interested in how much your bill went up. But you have more l lights than me - 'coz I'm only in a 2.5 x 2.5 sq. ft. Tag me when you find out? Just curious.

In AB - the usage was $96 - but after all the admin, delivery, distribution, and transmission charges, the balancing pool allocation, rate riders... and local access fees... the total for just electric grew to $330. Unbelievable

Good luck with those deer. I'm trying to save some trees from Spring snacks

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

Why, you can just calculate it...

Lets say your lights actually drew 900W. Then in flower, it is 12 x 0.9 x 7 kW units per week. Just multiply the answer with your cost per unit.

I like to know the costs in terms of grams of weed. Ie.e. the electricity is 8 grams of weed (in money), the food is 7 grams of weed etc... makes it easier to decide of the costs are viable when considering something new.

The 900w led specs claim it draws 296w - same as 3 100w bulbs.

 

[ANC]

The 900w led specs claim it draws 296w - same as 3 100w bulbs.

I would not use it on anything larger than a 2x4. Even that is optimistic.3x3 might be stretching it but probably will do the same

300W is 300W...

 

[gb123]

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300W is 300W...[/QUOTE]


LED, Lumens, Kelvin…WATT are you talking about?

Just when I mastered CFLs and accepted the phaseout of T12 fluorescents, 100W and 75W bulbs, enter the LED bulb. Anyone who has tried to shop for these bulbs is probably as frustrated as I am when trying to find a 100W “equivalent” bulb. These bulbs don’t yet exist on store shelves and the word “equivalent” is a useless gauge to determine similar light outputs of incandescent, CFL and LED. I have yet to find any equivalent equivalents. Yes, you read that correctly.

Simply trying to find a suitable 100W “equivalent” LED table lamp replacement has become an infuriating chore. Most stores don’t yet carry a wide variety of options to suit what I believe to be standard lighting for everyday use. It’s a hodge podge of shapes, styles, output, color temperature and energy used that I’m sure will change as the technology matures and more options are brought to market.

First some terminology:

• A Watt is the amount of power consumed by a bulb per hour
• Lumens are a raw measure of light output
• Kelvin is color temperature – 2,700K (indoor soft white) to 5,600K is bright white like a fluorescent.

To replace the 100W table lamp bulb with an LED equivalent, I settled for a funky Philips 17-Watt (75W equivalent) LED Soft White (pictured above). It does produce a nice light, albeit less Lumens than I desired.

For my kitchen, I searched for an 85W equivalent LED recessed downlight, but the stores don’t yet carry it either. I settled for lower output 65W LED “equivalent” lights (Ecosmart 10.5W / 2,700K / 575 Lumens LED). The packaging claims it replaces 65W bulbs so I thought the room would be dimmer, but my room is actually brighter than the 85W CFL bulbs they replaced! Arghh! The product is a pretty neat one-piece replacement can with integrated trim that’s easy to install.

Watts used to give us a good idea of how much light a light bulb would produce. But as bulbs now produce more light (or lumens), Watts have stopped being a useful guide to brightness. As LED bulbs continue to improve in efficiency, you can find two 65W equivalents that can give quite different levels of light output, perhaps as much as a third more or less. It’s not to exaggerate power (consumption), but older and less efficient LEDs could use older and less efficient electronic driver circuits. Big box stores have a chart that does a fairly good job of explaining the differences between Lumens, Kelvin across incandescent, CFL and LED. If only the product were consistent with the claims.

Be careful to check color temperature as that varies from bulb to bulb too. The four 65W equivalent Ecosmart downlights (575 Lumens) I replaced were listed as soft white (2,700K). Three of the lights were soft white while the fourth was noticeably whiter at about 3,000K.

So how easy is it to replace a 85W flood? Bring Tylenol or Acetaminophen equivalent.

Summary
– Watts are no longer useful as an indication of the brightness.
– Lumens have taken over to measure the brightness of a light.
– Color temperature (Kelvin) describes incremental color, from Soft White to Bright White.
– LED’s are more energy efficient than CFLs. A 19W CFL (75W) could be similar to a 10.5W LED or half the energy used.

 

[ANC]

300W does not equal 900W

 

[CalyxCrusher]

That's old info. LEDs are measured in PAR and PPFD. Lumens are for humans. 300W is 300w but it's the PAR and PPFD that is generated from those 300W of LED that makes them falsy claim it to be 900w when they should say it's a 900W equivalent. 300W LED is closer to 500-600w equivalent than 900w that's for sure.

 

[OldMedUser]

Seriously though... is growing 4 plants illegal? Like, wtf?

Legal if you get your seeds or clones from a gov't approved source or from a registered medical grower willing to provide proof that he/she/it gave them to you. LPs cal sell them for profit but med growers have to 'gift' them.

In AB - the usage was $96 - but after all the admin, delivery, distribution, and transmission charges, the balancing pool allocation, rate riders... and local access fees... the total for just electric grew to $330. Unbelievable

I'm in northern AB and calculated my real cost for power at 23.5¢/kwh so it costs me almost $90/mth to run a 1000W HPS 12 hours/day. Just crazy. Too far north to get outdoor plants to finish in time before the snow flies or a killing frost gets them. Always meant to grow autos outside but never bothered. May put a few out this year for the hell of it. Can stash them in the woods on the north side of my little acreage tho around the dugout might be better so I don't have to haul water. We have been getting ripped off for power ever since King Ralph deregulated the system way back when to balance the budget. It's all US companies running the show now and they are gouging the hell out of us.

Good luck with your efforts and here's some study material for you.

I found a great spot to download FREE POT BOOKS. I downloaded a grow bible first and got lots more. Books look great and complete like the real ones I have here. No web site but just a page of links. Just right click on what you want and then "Save Link As" to download so they don't open first as some are 50+ megs. They got lots. Enjoy.

 

[SatIndy]

12 hours per dayx0.9kW =10.8kWHx7 days= units in kWH per week. your meter likely just reads these as single units.

I would start with a Kill a watt plug to measure how much power the light actually draws.

Thanks. Was wondering how people do that!

 

[SatIndy]

Not in Mb........ No personal growing allowed

(note to self: don't move to MB) lol

 

[SatIndy]

Maybe consider switching over to cob lighting. I used to use a 300w and a 150 w light for a 3x3 but ditched those and got cobs.

you can get a 200w cob setup and dim it down during veg..... that would save you some money. plus you might yield a lot more. it's a lot cooler too.

Thank you! Funny you say that, as the light I have is a POS - I think. And was looking at COB to replace it.
Will definitely be taking a closer look now

 

[OldMedUser]

The lies about pot never stopped—they just got more sophisticated!

by Guest on March 23rd, 2019 at 6:33 AM
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https://www.straight.com/cannabis/1217391/david-malmo-levine-reefer-madness-20-long-read

A long read but well worth it. Anything David writes about pot is worth the time it takes to read it. His dispensary was the only one allowed to post a thread in the CC forums because he was such a trusted founding member and has done so much to further our cause.

Thanks for posting that one!