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[disco pilgrim]

Hey Schwaggy I really appreciate this thread and all the knowledge you spread. I was hoping you could help me identify which cut of chem 91 this might be. These pics are day 21 since flip. Thank you thank you!

 

[Schwaggy P]

Hey Schwaggy I really appreciate this thread and all the knowledge you spread. I was hoping you could help me identify which cut of chem 91 this might be. These pics are day 21 since flip. Thank you thank you!
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Thank you, much appreciated. So I've spent some time staring and comparing. I can see some things that could go to either the SkunkVA or Joe Brand cut of Chemdog '91. The Chems start out with very stout fan leaves in veg and during the stretch of flower, the fans begin to thin out and become a bit more difficult to differentiate. If you have veg pics, it may be easier to give a better comparison.

First thing that stands out with your Chem, is the perpendicular arrangement of the leaf blades.


This is more of a JB trait as the SKVA has a bit more of an angular 'V' shape to the leaves. Here is a side by side of your Chem with SKVA and JB (my Chems are at day 18 in this picture, so pretty close in timeframe)

The JB has an intermittent double serration that randomly pops up (like ChemD but less so). I scoured your pictures and could not find a double serration. The JB leaf serrations are deeper than the SkunkVA and I see the less exaggerated serration on your plant.

When I compare the picture that shows a more complete plant shot, The overall "look" seems more like the SkunkVA. The leaf blades of the SkunkVA have an elongated football shape with a bulge mid-blade that clearly tapers toward the end of the leaf. The JB is a bit more stout/stunted/shortened in comparison. The leaves toward the bottom of the Chems tend to be the chunkier 3-main blades that start to become narrower with more pronounced outer blades, so be aware of that when comparing the pictures (compare leaves of the same level up the plant).

The SkunkVA has a pretty solid stretch when flipped and tends to look more like an OG until it begins to flower.

In my experience, the JB has a more intense smell in veg and flower. It smells like kushy motor oil in veg and starts to get diesel-y by mid-flower. SkunkVA is muted in veg and doesn't really get to smelling until later in flower. I know there are a million variables between growers and methods, but a stinkier vegging plant may help to ID your specific Chem.

I don't feel confident enough to give you a definitive "take it to the bank" answer, but I get a more SkunkVA feel from the few pictures of your plant. The lack of double serration, shallower serrations, and more elongated leaf blades lead me to this conclusion. If you have any veg pics, it may help out. As she flowers, she may give up some more visuals that could help us figure it out, so please feel free to post update pics as she develops.

Sorry I couldn't give you a solid answer.

 

[disco pilgrim]

Wow! Thanks for the in-depth response. I am very appreciative of your analysis.

In veg she did not give off much smell at all. As a matter of fact, I didn’t get much smell today when I was thinning her out. That could have been because I worked on a couple of other strains that were already very nosy. I studied your veg pics on the first page of this thread while my girl was still early in veg and thought it was leaning towards skunk va. Also, I really tried to limit the stretch by continuing with MH these first 3 weeks of flower and using a slightly negative temp diff the first few hours of the lights on period.

I will definitely post another pic further down the road. Thanks again Schwaggy!

 

[Schwaggy P]

Wow! Thanks for the in-depth response. I am very appreciative of your analysis.

In veg she did not give off much smell at all. As a matter of fact, I didn’t get much smell today when I was thinning her out. That could have been because I worked on a couple of other strains that were already very nosy. I studied your veg pics on the first page of this thread while my girl was still early in veg and thought it was leaning towards skunk va. Also, I really tried to limit the stretch by continuing with MH these first 3 weeks of flower and using a slightly negative temp diff the first few hours of the lights on period.

I will definitely post another pic further down the road. Thanks again Scwaggy!

You're welcome. The JB is top 3 smelliest in veg plants I've had, so if she isn't really cutting through on the nose, score another trait for the SkunkVA. Looking forward to the update. Glad I could shed some light, happy growing.

 

[GreenHighlander]

Thank you, much appreciated. So I've spent some time staring and comparing. I can see some things that could go to either the SkunkVA or Joe Brand cut of Chemdog '91. The Chems start out with very stout fan leaves in veg and during the stretch of flower, the fans begin to thin out and become a bit more difficult to differentiate. If you have veg pics, it may be easier to give a better comparison.

First thing that stands out with your Chem, is the perpendicular arrangement of the leaf blades.
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This is more of a JB trait as the SKVA has a bit more of an angular 'V' shape to the leaves. Here is a side by side of your Chem with SKVA and JB (my Chems are at day 18 in this picture, so pretty close in timeframe)
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The JB has an intermittent double serration that randomly pops up (like ChemD but less so). I scoured your pictures and could not find a double serration. The JB leaf serrations are deeper than the SkunkVA and I see the less exaggerated serration on your plant.
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When I compare the picture that shows a more complete plant shot, The overall "look" seems more like the SkunkVA. The leaf blades of the SkunkVA have an elongated football shape with a bulge mid-blade that clearly tapers toward the end of the leaf. The JB is a bit more stout/stunted/shortened in comparison. The leaves toward the bottom of the Chems tend to be the chunkier 3-main blades that start to become narrower with more pronounced outer blades, so be aware of that when comparing the pictures (compare leaves of the same level up the plant).

The SkunkVA has a pretty solid stretch when flipped and tends to look more like an OG until it begins to flower.
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In my experience, the JB has a more intense smell in veg and flower. It smells like kushy motor oil in veg and starts to get diesel-y by mid-flower. SkunkVA is muted in veg and doesn't really get to smelling until later in flower. I know there are a million variables between growers and methods, but a stinkier vegging plant may help to ID your specific Chem.

I don't feel confident enough to give you a definitive "take it to the bank" answer, but I get a more SkunkVA feel from the few pictures of your plant. The lack of double serration, shallower serrations, and more elongated leaf blades lead me to this conclusion. If you have any veg pics, it may help out. As she flowers, she may give up some more visuals that could help us figure it out, so please feel free to post update pics as she develops.

Sorry I couldn't give you a solid answer.

I was amazed by this post. The amount of clear information, with clear pics, is amazing.
I LOL when I read the "Sorry I couldn't give you a solid answer". IMHO your post is far better then just saying what one you thought he had. You instead went above and beyond and showed us all how to tell.
Thank you Schwaggy P

Cheers

 

[mr. childs]

Green Crack S1 - Day 29 ... I'm trying out Terpinator on this run
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thoughts on the terpinator so far ?

 

[Baja.Beaches]

Green Crack S1 - Day 29 ... I'm trying out Terpinator on this run

I ran Terpinator tests last year, I felt like it enhanced the smells quite a bit. The ones I ran it on are still pretty loud in their jars.

Now that I think about it most of the jars I have been choosing were from the Terpinator plants.

That said it got pretty expensive using it the way they instruct, both in veg & flower. I tried a couple that I applied during flower only & was still happy with the results. I intend to try more this summer in a more controlled manner.

 

[mr. childs]

I ran Terpinator tests last year, I felt like it enhanced the smells quite a bit. The ones I ran it on are still pretty loud in their jars.

Now that I think about it most of the jars I have been choosing were from the Terpinator plants.

That said it got pretty expensive using it the way they instruct, both in veg & flower. I tried a couple that I applied during flower only & was still happy with the results. I intend to try more this summer in a more controlled manner.

some years back they changed the amount you should use... not sure if the formula changed though, but like you said the bottle sure emptied faster...

 

[Covetsculitvars]

Gotta be in the loop I guess

 

[Schwaggy P]

I was amazed by this post. The amount of clear information, with clear pics, is amazing.
I LOL when I read the "Sorry I couldn't give you a solid answer". IMHO your post is far better then just saying what one you thought he had. You instead went above and beyond and showed us all how to tell.
Thank you Schwaggy P

Cheers

Thank you. I was just kind of bummed I couldn't give a definitive answer. It can be difficult at times to articulate exactly what to look for in picking out a specific pheno/cut.

For example, let's say you had to spot a loved one out of a crowd. Whenever your eyes find the person, you instantly say, "Hey there they are." Now try to articulate every little nuanced visual cue that works in concert to equal that specific person. To just say it's a blonde haired, short female doesn't help you ID a specific person. Trying to explain every little detail such that no one would confuse it for someone else can be a Herculean task.

That is how I feel about my plants, after hanging out and working with these particular plants for awhile, I can spot them across the room in a crowded garden. So, not being able to instantly snap my fingers and say, "For sure, that Chem is...", was mildly disappointing.

In the future I may try to articulate every little weird visual cue that helps to know one plant from another, but I'd like to get an in depth smoke report of the Chems worked out first.

 

[Schwaggy P]

thoughts on the terpinator so far ?

I am liking the Terpinator so far. There is definitely an increased smell coming from the Green Crack. She's the cut I've grown consistently for the longest in just about every method/situation. So whenever I want to try out a new product or grow method, she's my go-to guinea pig plant.

It has accentuated the guava in her profile as well as given an across the board increase in overall smell. Her more astringent solvent smells tend to develop more towards the end of the cycle, so I'd like to make sure that component doesn't get washed out before incorporating the Terpinator into my default nutrient regimen.

 

[Schwaggy P]

I ran Terpinator tests last year, I felt like it enhanced the smells quite a bit. The ones I ran it on are still pretty loud in their jars.

Now that I think about it most of the jars I have been choosing were from the Terpinator plants.

That said it got pretty expensive using it the way they instruct, both in veg & flower. I tried a couple that I applied during flower only & was still happy with the results. I intend to try more this summer in a more controlled manner.

Good to get some confirmation on the increased smell. I agree the dosage seems to be a lot, 10-30mL per gallon in a 40gal reservoir for the entire life of the plant is a bit much.

Looking at the bottle, I see the main ingredient is potassium sulfate. I'm sure there are other ingredients in this additive given the color and smell, but the workhorse is the potassium sulfate. I will be ordering some potassium sulfate and trying a test run of homemade Terpinator soon.

Luckily I have a batch of rooted Green Crack clones in veg that are begging to be test subjects for this. I'll be recording/posting the recipe I use and the success/failure I have with the homemade vs. store bought.

 

[CannaBruh]

I am liking the Terpinator so far. There is definitely an increased smell coming from the Green Crack. She's the cut I've grown consistently for the longest in just about every method/situation. So whenever I want to try out a new product or grow method, she's my go-to guinea pig plant.

It has accentuated the guava in her profile as well as given an across the board increase in overall smell. Her more astringent solvent smells tend to develop more towards the end of the cycle, so I'd like to make sure that component doesn't get washed out before incorporating the Terpinator into my default nutrient regimen.

FWIW even though I bicker with the individual often DrWho has a diy terpinator forumula that I used a couple years ago that I felt worked well. I need to make it again and do some better experiments to stay off the 'confirmation bias.' The thread can be found here on RIU.

I think the key stressed is the sulfur and he had a formula centered around k-sulfate.

Lookn great as always @Schwaggy P, I still haven't picked up a new camera but soon.

 

[Schwaggy P]

FWIW even though I bicker with the individual often DrWho has a diy terpinator forumula that I used a couple years ago that I felt worked well. I need to make it again and do some better experiments to stay off the 'confirmation bias.' The thread can be found here on RIU.

I think the key stressed is the sulfur and he had a formula centered around k-sulfate.

Lookn great as always @Schwaggy P, I still haven't picked up a new camera but soon.

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll definitely check it out. Appreciate the kind words brother. I'm looking forward to you getting the camera and posting up all the cannabis covergirls.

 

[Schwaggy P]

Current Breeding Tent #1​

Pollen Donor: Black Lights (Black Domina x Northern Lights #1)​

"Short 'n Quick Fuel"

I very much enjoy the headbanging fuel plants that short circuit your system and make you swear you’ll breathe fire on the exhale. It seems these great traits come with longer flowering times and serious skyscraping stretch (landrace sativas excluded ). Wouldn’t it be great if you could get the eye watering flammable terps and stoned stupid effect in a plant that stays manageable with a quick finish?

I will be putting the Black Lights male to work by pollinating: Chem’91skva, ChemD, Sour Diesel (Rattlesnake cut), H.A. OG, and Chem Kesey.​

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In this run, 2 of the 5 crosses are in my plans for further line work, specifically the H.A.OG and Chem Kesey (Chem’91skva X 88G13HP). I believe the 88G13HP is G13 X (Hashplant x NL#1), so there will be some reinforcing of NL#1 in the pool.​

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The Black Lights interests me as a potentially great male for these ladies because of the parentage behind him. The Black Domina is a quicker finishing indica, and the Northern Lights #1 has a spray paint terp profile. Hopefully, the Black Domina can bring down the harvest range on these ladies. The NL#1 spray paint smell should reinforce the volatile nature of the fuely terps in the pool, or at least, not water them down.

Black Lights male​

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While my sights are set on the Chem Kesey and H.A.OG, I have the room in the tent to include the others. Plus, they definitely fit the description of the longer flowering potent fuel plants. I will pop them all eventually and always take the opportunity to add to my breeding stock.

These ladies have been flipped and are at day 11 of flower. The Black Lights male has been cloned and stands at the ready to be flipped after the ladies get a head start.​

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[Dude74]

^^^^Can not wait for this ^^^^
Great job!

 

[Schwaggy P]

^^^^Can not wait for this ^^^^
Great job!

Thanks , these will be fun to hunt through.

 

[Baja.Beaches]

FWIW even though I bicker with the individual often DrWho has a diy terpinator forumula that I used a couple years ago that I felt worked well. I need to make it again and do some better experiments to stay off the 'confirmation bias.' The thread can be found here on RIU.

Good to hear some feedback on that DIY recipe, I read through that last year & bought a 5 lb bag of potassium sulfate off Amazon for like $10. I intend to try that when my Terpinator gallon is done. The poster rubbed me wrong for some reason so I appreciate the input.

Luckily I have a batch of rooted Green Crack clones in veg that are begging to be test subjects for this. I'll be recording/posting the recipe I use and the success/failure I have with the homemade vs. store bought.

Testing with clones is the idea. Last year I ran 2 More Cowbells, one got the Terpinator the other didn't, the one was super fragrant, but how much is genetics & Terpinator? I will follow your findings with interest as always.

I gotta say @Schwaggy P, your clarity & organization are inspiring, little details are important. I am paying closer attention & taking notes on my own grows. Thanks for that.

 

[mr. childs]

Good to hear some feedback on that DIY recipe, I read through that last year & bought a 5 lb bag of potassium sulfate off Amazon for like $10. I intend to try that when my Terpinator gallon is done. The poster rubbed me wrong for some reason so I appreciate the input.



Testing with clones is the idea. Last year I ran 2 More Cowbells, one got the Terpinator the other didn't, the one was super fragrant, but how much is genetics & Terpinator? I will follow your findings with interest as always.

I gotta say @Schwaggy P, your clarity & organization are inspiring, little details are important. I am paying closer attention & taking notes on my own grows. Thanks for that.

i gotta buy some beans to show appreciation... are they at glg ? if not please send them there, as that is home for me.

 

[mr. childs]

Good to hear some feedback on that DIY recipe, I read through that last year & bought a 5 lb bag of potassium sulfate off Amazon for like $10. I intend to try that when my Terpinator gallon is done. The poster rubbed me wrong for some reason so I appreciate the input.



Testing with clones is the idea. Last year I ran 2 More Cowbells, one got the Terpinator the other didn't, the one was super fragrant, but how much is genetics & Terpinator? I will follow your findings with interest as always.

I gotta say @Schwaggy P, your clarity & organization are inspiring, little details are important. I am paying closer attention & taking notes on my own grows. Thanks for that.

i remember the recipe, but the funniest part to me in all these years was me straight sprinkling k sulfate as a top dressing outdoors & in, thinking i was doing something, along with adding it to fnb or jacks citrus or whatever bottled nute i was using at the time.