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Roger A. Shrubber
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My bad.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I disagree. The social and judicial costs of prohibition far outweigh the real, objective costs of drug use. I, for one, will not cheer repression.
That said, I don't recommend meth, heroin etc. as discretionary intoxicants, quite independently of their legal status.
But to imply that drug users are failed or dangerous humans (when every one of their secondary crimes has to do with the extremely inflated cost of their fix, and is thus a legally-imposed catch-22) is unmitigated, baseless moral tyranny. It is hypocrisy at the individual and collective levels advanced to the level of a bigotry just as frank at that aimed against those who look different.
I am reminded of the warning "judge not lest you be judged".
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm reminded that everyone i personally have ever known that's done heroin, meth, or oxy has turned into a useless piece of shit...and most of them never recover....your experience may vary, but i don't see how. are they pitiable? yes...does that mean i want them and the shit they do around? no....if that's me being a tyrannical bigot, tough shit...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Good to have your dehumanizing response on record. Is it possible; can you countenance the idea that people desperate enough to reach for heroin in a seriously restrictive society have problems for which the heroin is merely a convenient red flag for unreconstructed Victorian-style invasive moralists to categorize them Not Real People (and thus killing'em ain't murder)?
Didn't think so.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i never said murder them...but coddling them is bullshit, too...i take a risk, and if i get caught, i'm prepared to do what needs to be done. they took a bigger risk, and got caught. the bigger risk is really to everyone who knows them...that gets stolen from, lied to, cheated on, fucked over....then they get a "sorry, it was the drugs"....till they do it again...so yeah...sorry, guess you're right, we should just let them fuck up the lives of everyone around them, they're "sick".....
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
You may need to re-read what you actually posted. You removed every moral barrier. This is merely logic (and I recognize and sympathize that you are disabled in this regard) taken to its necessary and compelling conclusion.
Grandpapy
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I remember this one time an alcohol addict stole my sisters life...
Spread your distaste around. And be grateful you are not a victim.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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addiction is a problem, and it's not being dealt with worth a shit, because it makes money for the pharmaceutical industry.
and the alcohol industry...and apparently the twinky industry....
so no one has to have any personal fortitude, no guts, no one ever needs to just man up and get shit done. there is no personal responsibility anymore. everything is someone else's fault. no one makes a choice to do something they shouldn't do...they're led into it, manipulated, cheated, lied to...the information isn't out there, so don't bother to look for it. the facts are hidden, not posted all over the internet, and besides, you're busy using the internet looking for conspiracy theories that gives you someone else to blame for your personal failings...
and the alcohol industry...and apparently the twinky industry....
so no one has to have any personal fortitude, no guts, no one ever needs to just man up and get shit done. there is no personal responsibility anymore. everything is someone else's fault. no one makes a choice to do something they shouldn't do...they're led into it, manipulated, cheated, lied to...the information isn't out there, so don't bother to look for it. the facts are hidden, not posted all over the internet, and besides, you're busy using the internet looking for conspiracy theories that gives you someone else to blame for your personal failings...
Grandpapy
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Can you tell me what addiction or leaded water taste like?
Addiction is a crap shoot in your dna triggered by your environment.
“We are well aware of your particular interest,” one of the Harvard scientists wrote to the sugar executives, according to the New York Times, “and will cover this as well as we can.”
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/30/sugar-industry/
Being the fattest nation on earth, says our education system needs funding.
lokie
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Roger A. Shrubber
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it's more than education...we bombard people with commercials all day for cookies, soda, ice cream, pizza...they package the shit so you can eat it in the car, on your way home to dinner...
i am an asshole, and i'm really really tired of people not taking responsibility for their own choices, but even i admit that the temptations put before people every day would make Christ think about a twinky on the drive home.
if addiction is a crap shoot triggered by your dna, then why hasn't it been this bad for ever? why does it keep getting worse? genetic predisposition is a factor, but far from the only one...availability is a factor...it's a lot easier to get EVERYTHING than it was 100 or even 50 years ago, hell, even 20 years ago...not just drugs, but porn, food....w/e you want...most things you can have delivered overnight...
there are addictions you haven't even mentioned...i know couples who have split up over online gaming...some because one partner ignored the other, some because they couldn't agree on which game to play......
how much of it is genetic? how much is societal? how much is people being lazy gutless fucks? i'm not sure, but i'm guessing it's somewhere around 33.3/33.3/33.3.......
Grandpapy
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We can change societal rather quick, with education, like you said not all addictions are sugar based.
Genetics? American Indians are working on that answer. hopefully not long.
That leaves 33% lazy fucks that could be affected by dairy foods additives and not know it.
Grandpapy
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Roger A. Shrubber
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jerryb73
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I agree with the fact that people have no accountability, we are making it so easy to be an addict. To me, making things like narcan readily available to anyone isn’t helping with this. I understand the saving a life aspect, but, IME, this is nothing more than a tool in the box of an addict. I speak from experience. I’m not sure if my son will ever shake it, and he’s been clean several times, for a year ish but keeps going back. Would I want him to be saved by narcan? Sure, but that wouldn’t change anything, it would then be a joke of how he beat it..
It’s like saying, it’s ok to be an addict, we will keep you alive. That will never help in stopping the epidemic.
I used to love coke, and lost lots of money on it, however, I was able to man up and walk away. Since then I have done it a handful of times but that was it. I know the consequences and that’s good enough for me. Honestly I will probably never do again because, down here they are cutting it with fent. Fuck that..