Umol/Joule - A Commonly Misunderstood Metric of Grow Light Efficacy

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HydroGrowLED

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There are a lot of members here who seem to distrust when I say that umol/joule is not a good indicator of how well a light can grow plants. Various members here have demanded I have my lights tested for these figures and recommended me to a company called CSA Group to do so. I have contacted CSA Group and will be doing this reading with them; however I have also discussed the umol/joule figure with them. I want to share with all of you their stance on using umol/joule as a stand-alone calculation for determining how well a light can grow plants. I hope you find this information beneficial and that it begins new conversations and ideas as to better methods of quantifying a grow light's potential.



"The illumination industry is often able to boil efficiency down to one metric (luminous efficacy) easily because the photopic response of the human eye is fairly consistent for most people. The human response is essentially a bell curve with only one spectral peak. This has been well-studied over the last century and is widely accepted in the industry.

Plants, on the other hand, have multiple absorption targets and those targets may vary from species to species. Photon efficiency alone is not a sufficient characterization of how well a horticulture lighting product will perform when applied to a certain plant. For example, someone could make a product which has only red LEDs (a wavelength where photons are cheap in terms of energy requirements to produce them) and get a great efficiency value. But this product would not necessarily be good for plant growth.

Photon efficiency is certainly useful to know but only when paired with other performance metrics such as Spectral Quantum Distribution (SQD), near-field and/or far-field spatial Photon Flux Density (PFD) distribution, lifetime projections / performance degradation, etc.

KC Fletcher, Operations Manager, CSA Group. 2019. Used with permission."
 

TEKNIK

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There are a lot of members here who seem to distrust when I say that umol/joule is not a good indicator of how well a light can grow plants. Various members here have demanded I have my lights tested for these figures and recommended me to a company called CSA Group to do so. I have contacted CSA Group and will be doing this reading with them; however I have also discussed the umol/joule figure with them. I want to share with all of you their stance on using umol/joule as a stand-alone calculation for determining how well a light can grow plants. I hope you find this information beneficial and that it begins new conversations and ideas as to better methods of quantifying a grow light's potential.



"The illumination industry is often able to boil efficiency down to one metric (luminous efficacy) easily because the photopic response of the human eye is fairly consistent for most people. The human response is essentially a bell curve with only one spectral peak. This has been well-studied over the last century and is widely accepted in the industry.

Plants, on the other hand, have multiple absorption targets and those targets may vary from species to species. Photon efficiency alone is not a sufficient characterization of how well a horticulture lighting product will perform when applied to a certain plant. For example, someone could make a product which has only red LEDs (a wavelength where photons are cheap in terms of energy requirements to produce them) and get a great efficiency value. But this product would not necessarily be good for plant growth.

Photon efficiency is certainly useful to know but only when paired with other performance metrics such as Spectral Quantum Distribution (SQD), near-field and/or far-field spatial Photon Flux Density (PFD) distribution, lifetime projections / performance degradation, etc.

KC Fletcher, Operations Manager, CSA Group. 2019. Used with permission."
What he is saying is absolutely correct, most people on here understand it, he is also very correct when describing how to get cheap efficiency by using alot of red LED's like you do. The smarter people on here and there are alot of smart people on here also know how effiency will drop depending on the spectrum. To have no efficiency testing at all done means noone can know how your lights will operate in a real environment regardless of spectrum or optics. A PAR map does help a little but it is not the best way to view things as a total, there are multiple factors to consider when purchasing a horticulture lamp, a canabis plant is a complex high energy absorbing plant, it is very different from a lettuce plant, different strains of canabis do like different spectrums also. The more information provided to people the better when making a decision on what they should be purchasing and a basic efficiency test is one of the first things they should be looking at, how you didn't understand what the hell everyone has been doing for the past 10 years while you have been using your enlarged kinder surprise egg to do your own evaluations of how efficient LED's are tells me you are out of touch with technology.
 

whytewidow

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What he is saying is absolutely correct, most people on here understand it, he is also very correct when describing how to get cheap efficiency by using alot of red LED's like you do. The smarter people on here and there are alot of smart people on here also know how effiency will drop depending on the spectrum. To have no efficiency testing at all done means noone can know how your lights will operate in a real environment regardless of spectrum or optics. A PAR map does help a little but it is not the best way to view things as a total, there are multiple factors to consider when purchasing a horticulture lamp, a canabis plant is a complex high energy absorbing plant, it is very different from a lettuce plant, different strains of canabis do like different spectrums also. The more information provided to people the better when making a decision on what they should be purchasing and a basic efficiency test is one of the first things they should be looking at, how you didn't understand what the hell everyone has been doing for the past 10 years while you have been using your enlarged kinder surprise egg to do your own evaluations of how efficient LED's are tells me you are out of touch with technology.

Dont criticize their light. You'll be banned from posting in their threads. And your posts will be deleted. Bc that's how RIU rolls. Unless you pay to be on here. You're a nobody.
 

KrazyG

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you seem to missunderstand his strategy, he opens up thread after thread to derail the discussion and make it harder to follow it. like back in the day, nothing new at all
Exactly people need to do some reading and see history repeating, and the editing of posts to make people look wrong/bad. Most hgl posts are edited after a reply.
 

SSGrower

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you seem to missunderstand his strategy, he opens up thread after thread to derail the discussion and make it harder to follow it. like back in the day, nothing new at all
I understand her strategey perfectly. It is pervasive in the world, not just the mj led community.

110 posts, 8 threads, 8 days. Spam content.
 
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HydroGrowLED

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Once again real information is posted by a third party this forum asked me to contact for testing, and rather than discussing the content of that company's information all anyone here is doing is trolling me and trying to change the subject because they don't want to admit I know what I'm talking about. Great job guys. Keep proving your own ignorance and insecurity to the world.

If you have nothing to discuss RE: the Original Post, don't bother posting here.
 
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