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Kushash

Kushash

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Randomblame said:
Perfect! Maybe put it next time directly into the soil so you catch all larvae directly. On the surface it takes longer and the gnats which leave the pot from below are not catched..
It also works when it gets wet and the silicate is indeed also useful for plants.

Genetic is a wide field, bro! What do you think, why have breeders in the 80's tried to breed tri- or multi-ploid plants? Have you ever seen a true triploid plant in your garden? Looks like this...
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Yeah, it is possible that the triploid genetic (these ducks feets) are remains of these attempts and can still be found in today's varieties. The mutations never completely disappear from the genetic material and spread further and further with each crossing.
But triploids has always been there and will always be.
It's just a slight mutation causing hammer head tops.
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Here is how I use sticky traps.
I cut long strips from each sheet, about 10 to 12 strips.
Easy to lift out the old one and get rid of it. Easy to set the new strip in place.
I replace them every 3 or 4 weeks.

I made my own traps one time with tangle trap sticky coating and it worked great but was a big mess to deal with.

I get 20 sticky traps from china for $10 free shipping on e bay.

Still haven't tried sand or DE rocks. I will try them at some point just to add to the arsenal.

I had the coolest little 3/4 inch long centipedes in my perpetual once but they died off.
Never had a chance to see if they would have made an impact on my fungus gnat larvae. They probably didn't or people would be using them. I freaked out the 1st time I saw one in my pot lol.

I tried mosquito dunks, took a hammer to them and put them in cheese clothe and soaked for a few days in water then reused till dissolved over several weeks while small bits are watered into the plant. Plants handled it great but I'm not sure it worked well. Might try the bottled BT.

Might as well list the rest lol.
I use Neem Oil in veg and like to think it is a deterrent to thrip activity.

I also use Ivory mixed with water.
Last I use Pyrethrin on occasion to mix things up.
Could be something else but that's all I can think of.

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Randomblame

Randomblame

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Kushash said:
That's a cool pic.
I've never grown one like that.
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100% sure, you will!
Probably before the next comp already. Just change your grow style for the competion and use a technique which fits better with such a small root volume. Organic is the most natural style and I've done it myself for many many years but it needs bigger pots to work properly.
You also don't need a special fertilizer. Any mineral bloom fertilizer should work as long as you keep the PH between 5,8-6,2 and the EC around 600ppm/1,2mS. Until week 4 or 5 I've used a cheap universal bloom fertilizer with NPK 4-27-38 which is was far from optimal for the 1st few weeks. But I've just added CalMag to add N, Ca and Mg.
Just make sure you get ~10-20% run off with each watering to avoid salt build up.
Believe me, that's the whole trick with cocoDTW!
 
Thegermling

Thegermling

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Kushash said:
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Here is how I use sticky traps.
I cut long strips from each sheet, about 10 to 12 strips.
Easy to lift out the old one and get rid of it. Easy to set the new strip in place.
I replace them every 3 or 4 weeks.

I made my own traps one time with tangle trap sticky coating and it worked great but was a big mess to deal with.

I get 20 sticky traps from china for $10 free shipping on e bay.

Still haven't tried sand or DE rocks. I will try them at some point just to add to the arsenal.

I had the coolest little 3/4 inch long centipedes in my perpetual once but they died off.
Never had a chance to see if they would have made an impact on my fungus gnat larvae. They probably didn't or people would be using them. I freaked out the 1st time I saw one in my pot lol.

I tried mosquito dunks, took a hammer to them and put them in cheese clothe and soaked for a few days in water then reused till dissolved over several weeks while small bits are watered into the plant. Plants handled it great but I'm not sure it worked well. Might try the bottled BT.

Might as well list the rest lol.
I use Neem Oil in veg and like to think it is a deterrent to thrip activity.

I also use Ivory mixed with water.
Last I use Pyrethrin on occasion to mix things up.
Could be something else but that's all I can think of.

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The sticky traps work but its the larvae that you should worry about. The sticky traps are more of an indicator that you have pests.
Use the BTi, im not sure if I posted it in this thread but I usually apply this once and theyre gone
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Randomblame

Randomblame

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Kushash said:
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Here is how I use sticky traps.
I cut long strips from each sheet, about 10 to 12 strips.
Easy to lift out the old one and get rid of it. Easy to set the new strip in place.
I replace them every 3 or 4 weeks.

I made my own traps one time with tangle trap sticky coating and it worked great but was a big mess to deal with.

I get 20 sticky traps from china for $10 free shipping on e bay.

Still haven't tried sand or DE rocks. I will try them at some point just to add to the arsenal.

I had the coolest little 3/4 inch long centipedes in my perpetual once but they died off.
Never had a chance to see if they would have made an impact on my fungus gnat larvae. They probably didn't or people would be using them. I freaked out the 1st time I saw one in my pot lol.

I tried mosquito dunks, took a hammer to them and put them in cheese clothe and soaked for a few days in water then reused till dissolved over several weeks while small bits are watered into the plant. Plants handled it great but I'm not sure it worked well. Might try the bottled BT.

Might as well list the rest lol.
I use Neem Oil in veg and like to think it is a deterrent to thrip activity.

I also use Ivory mixed with water.
Last I use Pyrethrin on occasion to mix things up.
Could be something else but that's all I can think of.

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Wow! That's an arsenal!
I can say you from my long time experience the best combi for organic soil is neem cake and DE.
1-2 cups of each for each 3-5gal. of soil.
Best is you mix it under 2 or 3 weeks before you want to use the soil. This destroys all insects and their larvea and the neem stuff has time to become widely available.
When you use the soil fungus gnats and larvea are already dead, at least 95%. Also soild livinig thripse or so..
And the seedlings can assimilate the neem stuff an intergate it systemically so that sucking insect stay away. This way the plant is protected from the beginning and dose mentioned is enough for ~3 month. You can add some more neem cake and DE with the top feedings to fresh it up but I don't think it's neccessary when you keep the vegetative stage shorter ... around 2-4 weeks.
Since I'm using this combo I need nothing else anymore. No sprays, no oils, no other stuff and like always ...
the best things are cheap too.
 
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Randomblame

Randomblame

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Thegermling said:
The sticky traps work but its the larvae that you should worry about. The sticky traps are more of an indicator that you have pests.
Use the BTi, im not sure if I posted it in this thread but I usually apply this once and theyre gone
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Yeah, that's the bacillus produced from SF nematodes. I've tried them too!
It works pretty good in water or wet media like coco. But these bacillus needs direct contact to the larvea to kill them, they can not travel the soil like nemathodes and search the larvea. So in soil maybe not optimal.
But nevertheless it works pretty good and is better than most of the other stuff.
 
Thegermling

Thegermling

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CoB_nUt said:
Update what? I harvested already.I have until May 2nd,don't I?
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Your last post was 2 weeks ago. You said you were going to harvest. You didnt post your harvest pics last week, you already missed a cupdate before. I dont have the "official" say in the decision making. I only keep track of whats going on. Dawg always has the final word.
Edit the may 1st is the harvest deadline, may 10 is for days to dry or cure since no one wants to petition the dawgs decision.
 
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CoB_nUt

CoB_nUt

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Thegermling said:
Your last post was 2 weeks ago. You said you were going to harvest. You didnt post your harvest pics last week, you already missed a cupdate before. I dont have the "official" say in the decision making. I only keep track of whats going on. Dawg always has the final word.
Edit the may 1st is the harvest deadline, may 10 is for days to dry or cure since no one wants to petition the dawgs decision.
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Ahh ok cool.I misunderstood the post then.All good.I did ask,iirc, if y'all wanted pics of them hanging to dry.All good Germling.I did miss an update.I concede to the rules.I'm out and that is cool by me.Good luck to those that are still in.
 
Kushash

Kushash

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SSGrower said:
And this is why I oppose the use of neem.

Not looking to pick a fight. You obviously can make your own decisions, but organic is not always best.
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Not a fight just a discussion.
Do you oppose it in veg misting the soil surface with neem oil or are you opposed to mixing it in a soil mix?
Because it is systemic?

IDK, I spotted thrip damage twice over the past year in my perpetual and it cleared up pretty fast and I attributed it to the neem but that could also be confirmation bias.
 
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