Bill Weld challenges Trump for GOP nomination in 2020

Fogdog

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Where’sthecurve said:
Actually rob roy said it perfectly above... one is communist at the core the other is religious ethnic zealots calling communism capitalism. To be short, I don’t have time to write a book. Many have though, politics is classical heigalian dialectic.
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Your belief about Republicans is correct. Sorry but getting the answer half right is still a failing grade.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Cosmetic differences, to be sure, but the result is clear; an enormous move to the right over the last half century, one the Democrats made a show of opposing but didn't really. The New Savior Biden, remember, was the guy who voted to exempt student debt from discharge in bankruptcy. Clinton's NAFTA. Etc. There are innumerable additional examples of Democrats behaving just like Republicans, often passing legislation Republicans wanted but couldn't pass themselves.

Stop falling for the Left vs Right charade. They're both bought and paid for by the elite donor class and have been proven not to represent the interests of 90% of the American people.

Those elite are the real enemy and they've spent our adult lifetimes winning the class war. That's why America's homeless population numbers in the millions while billionaires and megacorps routinely pay zero or even negative taxes.

'Democrat vs Republican' politics in America is as inane and vacuous as the old Spy vs Spy cartoons in Mad Magazine, and for the same reason; there is never any serious discussion of why things are as they are, only endless finger pointing. It's all a distraction from the real story.

Here's Rutger Bregman, a guy who will never be invited back to Davos, for the crime of telling the truth;
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It is naive to say that Democrats are the same as Republicans.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
It is naive to say that Democrats are the same as Republicans.
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You're naive for not seeing the incredibly obvious trend running right down the middle of American politics like an 8 lane superhighway.

You're naive for believing the hype instead of recognizing the results of a system where the rich buy both parties and get what they want while the middle class starves.

The most dynamic members of Congress- both houses- are Progressives, people you've been belittling for the entire time you've been posting here. Their time is coming, held up only by the outdated, credulous notions of people like you.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
You're naive for not seeing the incredibly obvious trend running right down the middle of American politics like an 8 lane superhighway.

You're naive for believing the hype instead of recognizing the results of a system where the rich buy both parties and get what they want while the middle class starves.

The most dynamic members of Congress- both houses- are Progressives, people you've been belittling for the entire time you've been posting here. Their time is coming, held up only by the outdated, credulous notions of people like you.
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So about, campaign finance reform that you and I support,

The last time it was up for a vote, every Democratic Party Senator voted for it. Every Republican voted against it. Republicans sustained their filibuster and prevented it from going to the floor for a vote.

If you want to reform campaign finance laws vote for Democrats.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
So about, campaign finance reform that you and I support,

The last time it was up for a vote, every Democratic Party Senator voted for it. Every Republican voted against it. Republicans sustained their filibuster and prevented it from going to the floor for a vote.

If you want to reform campaign finance laws vote for Democrats.
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That vote was every bit as effective as all those Republican votes to repeal the ACA, too, wasn't it? It sure fooled you into thinking Democrats would do it when the vote might actually mean something! Posing for the base, nothing more.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
So about, campaign finance reform that you and I support,

The last time it was up for a vote, every Democratic Party Senator voted for it. Every Republican voted against it. Republicans sustained their filibuster and prevented it from going to the floor for a vote.

If you want to reform campaign finance laws vote for Democrats.
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LMFAO

SERIOUSLY?

The DCCC just updated its policies to blacklist any consultants who work for campaigns to primary sitting Democrats and you think they're interested in REFORM?!

Thanks for confirming your naivety once again.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
LMFAO

SERIOUSLY?

The DCCC just updated its policies to blacklist any consultants who work for campaigns to primary sitting Democrats and you think they're interested in REFORM?!

Thanks for confirming your naivety once again.
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Congressional Record shows that the last time a vote on the matter was taken, EVERY Democratic Party senator voted for campaign finance reform. You can spin what the DCCC is doing however you like. Most likely you are just repeating more propaganda. It is clearly recorded in the Congressional Record that every Senator who was in office in 2015 supported Bernie Sanders campaign finance reform bill. These are the leaders of the Democratic Party and they have clearly come down on the side of reforming campaign laws by supporting Bernie Sanders' bill. This is simply not something that can be spun. It is fact.

If you want campaign finance reform, vote in Democrats.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Congressional Record shows that the last time a vote on the matter was taken, EVERY Democratic Party senator voted for campaign finance reform. You can spin what the DCCC is doing however you like. Most likely you are just repeating more propaganda. It is clearly recorded in the Congressional Record that every Senator who was in office in 2015 supported Bernie Sanders campaign finance reform bill. These are the leaders of the Democratic Party and they have clearly come down on the side of reforming campaign laws by supporting Bernie Sanders' bill. This is simply not something that can be spun. It is fact.

If you want campaign finance reform, vote in Democrats.
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I'm not the one getting dizzy from all the spin.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
That vote was every bit as effective as all those Republican votes to repeal the ACA, too, wasn't it? It sure fooled you into thinking Democrats would do it when the vote might actually mean something! Posing for the base, nothing more.
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Well, actually, I do hold against Republicans that they tried to dismantle the ACA. That they failed doesn't make their effort less odious. So, yes, what a lawmaker does matters. Every Democratic Party Senator who held that seat in 2015 is on record of supporting campaign finance reform. You have to layer on a conspiracy theory to spin that as a negative.

Its all recorded in the Congressional record. As you say, Republicans want to dismantle the ACA and oppose campaign finance reform. Practically all Democrats support the ACA and campaign finance reform. It is naive to say that Republicans and Democrats are the same.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
I'm citing facts and you are citing conspiracy. It's not hard to see where you have it wrong.

If you want campaign finance reform vote in Democrats.
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Senator Micheal Bennett took more money from the investment banking industry than any other politician on both sides of the aisle, in either house.

He made sure to vote to water down Dodd-Frank, itself a pale shadow of Glass-Steagel.

He's a Democrat.

Enough of your charades, already.

Just above you pleaded ignorance about well publicised policies of the DCCC and now you're trying to call 'conspiracy theory'.

With Democrats like you, we'll get 4 more years of the Chump.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Moses Mobetta said:
The deal was already made. Clinton changed some things from the agreement. Look it up. I was protesting NAFTA while Bush was in office, might still have a copy.
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You're proving my point for me. If Democrats are really so different, then explain why he signed it at all?
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Senator Micheal Bennett took more money from the investment banking industry than any other politician on both sides of the aisle, in either house.

He made sure to vote to water down Dodd-Frank, itself a pale shadow of Glass-Steagel.

He's a Democrat.

Enough of your charades, already.
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Yet there it is in the Congressional record (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00261) that he voted to override the filibuster that Republicans used to block Bernie's bill to overturn Citizen's United.

Michael Bennet is Colorado's senator, not mine. I'm merely pointing out that he supported campaign finance reform when it was up for a vote.

If you want campaign finance reform, vote Democrats in.
 
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