Bill Weld challenges Trump for GOP nomination in 2020

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Moses Mobetta said:
I'm a carpenter, I weld and fabricate also. There are places that would like to pay me $10 an hour with no benefits there are places I can make over $80 to $100 an hour. A good job to me is one that will pay enough to sustain what I believe is a good lifestyle, safe working conditions and to be treated respectfully. Technology eventually comes into everything over time
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If you want to be treated respectfully why would you want a politician to tell you not to buy x from a foreign manufacturer ?

Doesn't respect honor other peoples choices?
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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Rob Roy said:
If you want to be treated respectfully why would you want a politician to tell you not to buy x from a foreign manufacturer ?

Doesn't respect honor other peoples choices?
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Balance, for example I can't compete with people who make $5 a day, nor do I want to. I don't vote for politicians to represent a foreign workforce.
 
Fogdog

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Moses Mobetta said:
If we continue to allow corporations to operate irresponsibly in our country, making huge profits and paying poor wages except to those at the top or making all their money here and moving out taking good jobs with them, there won't be any good jobs. It needs to be unprofitable to manufacture things overseas and sell them here. Politicians in general have been selling out our workforce for decades for the benefit of the wealthy.
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Here it is again. The US worker sees their job threatened by the Mexican or Chinese or the next third world country that becomes the feeding grounds for predatory multinationals. No, your job or the person next to you's job is not threatened by your compatriot in another country. It's the predatory multinational. Like Trump Inc. who still make MAGA hats in Chinese sweatshops with unsafe working conditions. It's those companies that bribe officials to crack down on their labor forces to prevent unions. China doesn't allow even the talk of unionizing online. Mexican government is hostile to worker's rights laws.

I've seen good work given to other countries by large corporations on the sole benefit of tax breaks and research grants. It never really pays off but looks good on the books.

I think the US worker can be every bit as efficient and cost-effective as foreign workers but they can't compete when wages are held down to poverty levels by Chinese governement or pollution laws are ignored. If the working conditions were level, everybody would benefit and I think a lot of jobs would come back here. I'd prefer to see them come back because we out-competed the other country, not because we erected a trade barrier.
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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I would like to see workers lifted up rather than shut out. I remember an auto plant in Mexico where striking workers were shot to death not all that long ago
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Moses Mobetta said:
Balance, for example I can't compete with people who make $5 a day, nor do I want to. I don't vote for politicians to represent a foreign workforce.
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But how is a politician representing you, if he takes away your choices of who you can buy goods from ?

Isn't it really that you want politicians to take away OTHER peoples choices, so you'll be the only game in town ...just like those greedy domestic corporations you were disparaging a couple of posts back ?
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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Rob Roy said:
But how is a politician representing you, if he takes away your choices of who you can buy goods from ?

Isn't it really that you want politicians to take away OTHER peoples choices, so you'll be the only game in town ...just like those greedy domestic corporations you were disparaging a couple of posts back ?
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Those greedy corporations are to me nothing more than criminal enterprises, the fallacy that a third world country workforce is the problem is always touted by so called conservatives, just like a guy living in a mansion blaming the homeless guy. The truth is that corporations like say Walmart make huge profit while the average store location costs a half a million dollars in public assistance due to below poverty line wages, this practice is not acceptable.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
But how is a politician representing you, if he takes away your choices of who you can buy goods from ?
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oh, so it is bad to take away choices from people with respect to who they can buy goods from.

based on your years of spamming us with white supremacist rhetoric about how it is good to ban black people from shopping at white-only stores, i was led to believe you thought that was a good thing

you retarded racist pedophile
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
oh, so it is bad to take away choices from people with respect to who they can buy goods from.

based on your years of spamming us with white supremacist rhetoric about how it is good to ban black people from shopping at white-only stores, i was led to believe you thought that was a good thing

you retarded racist pedophile
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Yes it is bad to take away peoples choices. I'm so proud of you when you give the right answer.

Forcibly preventing people from engaging and forcibly insisting somebody engage you (or only you) are sort of the same thing. They take away the ability of people to engage on a mutual and consensual basis.

I'm afraid your intensely low I.Q. has confused you though. I never said it was good to ban anyone of a given race. I have said it's bad to force unwilling people to serve you.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Moses Mobetta said:
Those greedy corporations are to me nothing more than criminal enterprises, the fallacy that a third world country workforce is the problem is always touted by so called conservatives, just like a guy living in a mansion blaming the homeless guy. The truth is that corporations like say Walmart make huge profit while the average store location costs a half a million dollars in public assistance due to below poverty line wages, this practice is not acceptable.
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So why not get rid of corporations then ?
 
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