J.James
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Has fat ass buds too, largest of any of my lines.
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H.A.F.
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Well, since I noticed it early we'll all find out together. I know it is most likely a genetic thing on that lone seed, but if one nute does that regularly over the others it might end up getting my money in the future. I've just never run different systems at once to notice a difference.
Big Perm
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That's why I only like doing comparisons with clones. Pretty much no control from a seed comparison if you are testing something because what the plant is going to do anyway is an unknown.
The plants are looking good!
J.James
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Yes, I run my flower tent at night. Otherwise, I have heat issues.
DesertPlants
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My plants are in a cold room that only heats up because of the lights. I also live in a location where electric rates are 10 cents / kWh regardless of time of day you use it, so I just schedule mine around my sleep.
H.A.F.
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Exactly. My "evidence" is definitely not empirical. I guess my view is that since I am using these factors for making a "which nute to buy in the future" decision at the end, it is just something of note.
One thing I can state with almost 100% certainty is that the FF original trio burns plants if used as directed. It still produces fat flowers, but they always seem ugly until they are harvested and the leaves are gone.
Here's a little personal insight that may or may not be 100% on point, but all clues suggest it is. Just using Fox Farms as an example since that is what I have been growing with so far, they keep putting out new and improved products. Nutes, soil mixes, etc. You know they dump $$$ into R&D with scientists on staff trying way more stuff than a home grower could (if they are smart).
First you have the tried and true FFOF soil - that everyone had their own recipe to adjust it so it didn't kill plants... It is pretty harsh, we knew it, they knew it, then you get the Happy Frog, and the Lucky Dog soils. Both have mico's and other stuff that the FFOF didn't. They are improved. BUT they still sell an ass-load of FFOF because that is what some people are used to. If they came out with "New and Improved FFOF!!!" and discontinued the original, they would lose money.
On the nutes side, the original trio was a great starting point for them. All the solids in the Big Bloom have got to be part of their problem with plant issues. Why do I think that? First they made "sledgehammer" to help try to flush that crap out. Then they came out with the Gringo Rasta set that has no solids. Now they have a second Big Bloom "hydroponic" that is also clear. I think that was their answer to fixing the original trio.
So I guess that in this industry - newer is most likely better - if the price is not outrageous and it's a reputable company.
H.A.F.
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Me too. Helps with cold nights in the winter and hot afternoons in summer. Keeps the humidity in check better too I think.
I run flower from 7pm to 7am, and veg from 7pm to 1pm the next day.
J.James
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I run my veg space during the day but it is a shelf and is not enclosed so it doesn't hold on to the heat as a tent would. I also run my flower space from 7:30 pm - 7:30 am.
J.James
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I started using FFOF and Trio and agree with everything you said in this post. 1/4 - 1/2 strength recommended dose seemed to be perfect for most strains. Then out of curiosity, I bought a bag of BuildASoil LOS and have never looked back. This plant was grown in 2 gallons of LOS with 3 applications of Compost tea.
H.A.F.
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My "prize" bud so far (my avatar) was a center cola grown with the FF trio, I tried 1/2 strength and the leaves kept getting worse, so I just said 'screw it' and started feeding 100%. It was ugly, but when the ugly got trimmed off they were beautiful. So I'm not entirely sure that it is nute burn as much as it is a deficiency that won't correct itself.
Here's what I imagine happening. You have cloth pots (like a coffee filter) and during veg you are packing that filter with the nute-solids. Flush all you want, if they didn't come out when you watered all you are doing is thinning them out, not removing them. The longer you veg, the more there is building up - and with the self pruning aspect of the pots, the roots all grow to the edge and are sucking from that nute supply whether you like it or not.
Now you flip and they need different nutes, but they still have a good supply of the veg nutes. In short I think that it is stress related, from the plant trying to do one thing, but not getting the right nutes to do it - and deficiency more than burn.
One thing that has worked for me so far is to only drop the % on the actual nutes. Any of the 'go-withs' keep at 100%. Like if you add cal-mag, silica, etc.
Big Perm
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Write them and tell them you will do a side by side and they'll probably send you some out.
H.A.F.
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It's not even that, I would buy them just to try if I had ever heard ANYTHING about them. That proves your point - to a point
. I was wondering if any growers that do hydro, DWC, DTW etc. have used it. I know they are geared towards hydroponics - and I am not. So I thought that might have been why I haven't heard of them.
DesertPlants
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They are about the only line I haven’t run. I may try them out for a run l, but it will be three months before I have open spots for it.It's not even that, I would buy them just to try if I had ever heard ANYTHING about them. That proves your point - to a point
H.A.F.
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One thing I am noticing is that the dry nutes (Gen-Hydro "Maxi", FF crystals, etc.) seem to last a lot longer. I mean, no matter how concentrated the liquid nutes are, you're still paying for water, then mixing it with water - so there's that.
DesertPlants
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Yep, same here. That's why I have settled on Roots Organics dry nutes for coco (full organic grow) and MegaCrop for Hydro.
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