Bernie Sanders 2020

londonfog

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Correct. That's the rich man's interpretation of the law.

In the real world of we typical Americans, if a police officer ask you, "which way did they go?" and you intentionally mislead them by pointing in the wrong direction, you are guilty of obstruction even if no crime was ever committed.

In the event a crime was committed, you are guilty of obstruction and aiding and abetting.

This rich man's interpretation they've come up with doesn't hold water in front of a judge. The problem is that Democrats are too chicken shit to do what should be done.

They're more worried about failing and losing their political clout than doing their jobs.

But that's nothing new in Washington.
Sometimes you can be full of wisdom. Sometimes you fail. This is not a fail
 

Bugeye

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there doesn't have to be an underlying crime to have obstruction of justice.. obstruction is a crime in and of itself..

the definition of obstruction..
Modern obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, refers to the crime of offering interference of any sort to the work of police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors, or other (usually government) officials. Often, no actual investigation or substantiated suspicion of a specific incident need exist to support a charge of obstruction of justice. Common law jurisdictions other than the United States tend to use the wider offense of Perverting the course of justice.

firing comey in order to make an investigation go away is the very definition of obstruction, again, a crime in itself.
Thank you for a thoughtful reply, very much appreciated.

The danger I see in using obstruction against a sitting president is that it becomes an easy way to remove a president. We risk having permanent special councils.

Trump had the authority to fire Comey for any or no reason. It did not prevent or shut down the special council. Mueller got all the info he requested and finished his report. The investigation did not find the underlying crime.

I think it is important to see the next series of investigations close on the FISA abuse and related political spying because it may become clear that Russian collusion was a political back door hit job. In that case, obstruction is meaningless. We shall see.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Thank you for a thoughtful reply, very much appreciated.

The danger I see in using obstruction against a sitting president is that it becomes an easy way to remove a president. We risk having permanent special councils.

Trump had the authority to fire Comey for any or no reason. It did not prevent or shut down the special council. Mueller got all the info he requested and finished his report. The investigation did not find the underlying crime.

I think it is important to see the next series of investigations close on the FISA abuse and related political spying because it may become clear that Russian collusion was a political back door hit job. In that case, obstruction is meaningless. We shall see.
If you Republicans keep electing criminals, we will and should have special councils.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
Thank you for a thoughtful reply, very much appreciated.

The danger I see in using obstruction against a sitting president is that it becomes an easy way to remove a president. We risk having permanent special councils.

Trump had the authority to fire Comey for any or no reason. It did not prevent or shut down the special council. Mueller got all the info he requested and finished his report. The investigation did not find the underlying crime.

I think it is important to see the next series of investigations close on the FISA abuse and related political spying because it may become clear that Russian collusion was a political back door hit job. In that case, obstruction is meaningless. We shall see.
Your stupid is showing. I bet you are the guy who changes the sheets after your wife is boned by the next man. If there is no evidence it never happened, is your thinking. When she comes home at 5am you convince yourself she was at bible study.
How much you make a year ?
 

UncleBuck

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Your stupid is showing. I bet you are the guy who changes the sheets after your wife is boned by the next man. If there is no evidence it never happened, is your thinking. When she comes home at 5am you convince yourself she was at bible study.
How much you make a year ?
His wife gives him an allowance LOL
 

eddy600

Well-Known Member
You not smart are. Very.
Looking at that chart the national debt increased twice as much under Obama as any other two presidents before him.Take a look the debt started to spiral out of control under Obama,some of it is from cleaning up after Bush but a big part of it is his giveaways
 

Bugeye

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Looking at that chart the national debt increased twice as much under Obama as any other two presidents before him.Take a look the debt started to spiral out of control under Obama,some of it is from cleaning up after Bush but a big part of it is his giveaways
Try all the president's before him, combined. Trump is no better. With talk of a $2T infrastructure bill, he may be worse.
 

UncleBuck

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Looking at that chart the national debt increased twice as much under Obama as any other two presidents before him.Take a look the debt started to spiral out of control under Obama,some of it is from cleaning up after Bush but a big part of it is his giveaways
Listen again to what I said you trump cocksucking cuck

Obama lowered the deficit by over a trillion dollars


Refute that you loser
 

Budley Doright

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Prove yours.
See the thing is I did look and everything I found said he only had a minority approval rating (20ish %) in the polls before the election so I asked you to cite your source, if I’m wrong it would nice to know .......but sadly like most things you are asked to cite......crickets and now deflection ..... sad.
 

ttystikk

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No, I'm very much liberal left.

Your leftist-authoritarian leanings have dictatorial overtones and you do support brutal dictators. So be careful with the kettle -pot analogy.
No you're much further to the right than I am and in fact are basically conservative.
 

londonfog

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No you're much further to the right than I am and in fact are basically conservative.
Do you realize how stupid you sound ? Makes one wonder do you even know what would determine if one was conservative or progressive. Everyone is not going to agree on everything. I myself can be conservative , progressive , and or liberal. Depends on wtf you are asking me.
 
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