Progrowtech EV700 vs Fluence Spydr 2x

DocofRock

DocofRock

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Greetings RIU! I seem to have a problem with this hobby — it’s burning a hole in my pocket. I’m presently using QB’s, but I’ve been looking a lot into these two particular lighting systems and just wanted to get some input. I realize that DIY builds can be comparable for much cheaper, but I love the frames for these.

How are the lights, for those that have used them? What feedback and pros/cons could you provide about these particular lights? Both look fantastic and are extremely efficient. Worth the price?

Cheers.
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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DocofRock said:
Greetings RIU! I seem to have a problem with this hobby — it’s burning a hole in my pocket. I’m presently using QB’s, but I’ve been looking a lot into these two particular lighting systems and just wanted to get some input. I realize that DIY builds can be comparable for much cheaper, but I love the frames for these.

How are the lights, for those that have used them? What feedback and pros/cons could you provide about these particular lights? Both look fantastic and are extremely efficient. Worth the price?

Cheers.
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It really helps to include pics or at the very , least a link.
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Between the two, fluence imo, evolve seems heavy......should also look at gavita in this price range with a fixed spec + certs.

I don't need to tell you that diy is your best bang for your buck? .... Blux eb gen 3, 2700k, 90 cri strips could be promising for flowering cannabis.
 
Randomblame

Randomblame

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Between this both I would chose the fluence fixture. It's an Osram company since a while and as this they have access to Osrams highest binnings. Other companies can only dream of getting this diodes.
You should also take the new Amare Bar-8 into account. It has 880w, offers almost the same features and can be used above a 5x 5' or 5x 6' area.
The high efficiency version reach +2,7μMol/J at 880w and 2,8 at 660w and they use lots of LM301b's and Osram diodes. There is an according thread in the LED section. And what is the best, it costs less like the Progrow fixture.
 
DocofRock

DocofRock

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PSUAGRO. said:
Between the two, fluence imo, evolve seems heavy......should also look at gavita in this price range with a fixed spec + certs.

I don't need to tell you that diy is your best bang for your buck? .... Blux eb gen 3, 2700k, 90 cri strips could be promising for flowering cannabis.
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Do you have any good ideas as far as heat sinks/fixtures? I’ve definitely thought the same, as I understand the basics well enough (I have the HLG QB260 x2 right now for my 4x4. I love the look of the Fluence, but I have looked at DIY for cost savings. I’m a little intimidated. I like the fact that they have such uniform canopy coverage. Hell, if I could order just the frame, I could DIY with strips. I’m still learning here, so I definitely like to seek out other opinions.

Randomblame said:
Between this both I would chose the fluence fixture. It's an Osram company since a while and as this they have access to Osrams highest binnings. Other companies can only dream of getting this diodes.
You should also take the new Amare Bar-8 into account. It has 880w, offers almost the same features and can be used above a 5x 5' or 5x 6' area.
The high efficiency version reach +2,7μMol/J at 880w and 2,8 at 660w and they use lots of LM301b's and Osram diodes. There is an according thread in the LED section. And what is the best, it costs less like the Progrow fixture.
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Are you looking at the Vyprx series, or is this one of the Spydr models? I haven’t looked too much into their other models but I’m sure they are wonderful as well.
 
GBAUTO

GBAUTO

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You're about to go down a very deep rabbit hole...

If you are able to operate a screwdriver without a trip to the ER, you can easily build your own fixture.
That opens a whole new world of possibilities to custom design your fixture to fit YOUR needs and spectrums.
 
Randomblame

Randomblame

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DocofRock said:
Do you have any good ideas as far as heat sinks/fixtures? I’ve definitely thought the same, as I understand the basics well enough (I have the HLG QB260 x2 right now for my 4x4. I love the look of the Fluence, but I have looked at DIY for cost savings. I’m a little intimidated. I like the fact that they have such uniform canopy coverage. Hell, if I could order just the frame, I could DIY with strips. I’m still learning here, so I definitely like to seek out other opinions.



Are you looking at the Vyprx series, or is this one of the Spydr models? I haven’t looked too much into their other models but I’m sure they are wonderful as well.
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As far as I know the spyderX2 is the latest and most efficient fluence fixture(2,7μMol/J) but I'm not very familar with them cuz I'm a diy'er. Maybe they have updated the Vyprx series too.
The Amare SolarBar-8 has almost the same design and is made of 8 individual 4ft bars each with 3 parallel rows of diodes. Probably the highest diode density on this fixture.

This are a few test results and there are also picturers of the whole fixture and the separated bars in that thread.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/amare-solarbar-8.983189/page-20#post-14867110
 
Randomblame

Randomblame

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And if you're really interested to create your own fixture...
Have a look at alu U or C-channels. They have enough surface area to keep even overdriven strips pretty cool. Bridgelux EBgen3 series in on the way and they reach up to 199lm/w at nominal current.
Danmed, that's close to 2,8μMol/J already!
Those strips can run completely without heat sink you only need a frame to mount them on. 2020 alu system profiles look nice and are easy to work with. Perfect for the main frame with hangers and so. You could simply use a big alu sheet, glue the strips on using 25mm wide thermal tape(e3ay/am4zon, the blueish tape is good) and mount the sheet inside the frame. Total weigh maybe 15lbs without driver. And efficiency wise in the same ballpark. You could also use twice as much strips and run them at half current to come close to 3,0. Those EBstrips are pretty cheap and you'll use them at least a few years.
So more upfront costs is not really a problem. At half current they last even longer. Usually higher upfront costs pay off quickly, you've probably already noticed it with your QB's.
 
DocofRock

DocofRock

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Randomblame said:
And if you're really interested to create your own fixture...
Have a look at alu U or C-channels. They have enough surface area to keep even overdriven strips pretty cool. Bridgelux EBgen3 series in on the way and they reach up to 199lm/w at nominal current.
Danmed, that's close to 2,8μMol/J already!
Those strips can run completely without heat sink you only need a frame to mount them on. 2020 alu system profiles look nice and are easy to work with. Perfect for the main frame with hangers and so. You could simply use a big alu sheet, glue the strips on using 25mm wide thermal tape(e3ay/am4zon, the blueish tape is good) and mount the sheet inside the frame. Total weigh maybe 15lbs without driver. And efficiency wise in the same ballpark. You could also use twice as much strips and run them at half current to come close to 3,0. Those EBstrips are pretty cheap and you'll use them at least a few years.
So more upfront costs is not really a problem. At half current they last even longer. Usually higher upfront costs pay off quickly, you've probably already noticed it with your QB's.
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I’m definitely interested and I’m comfortable working with Meanwell type drivers and wiring boards/strips. I also am a lot less handy than I WANT to be... but I guess you gotta start somewhere! I’ll take a look.
 
Randomblame

Randomblame

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DocofRock said:
I’m definitely interested and I’m comfortable working with Meanwell type drivers and wiring boards/strips. I also am a lot less handy than I WANT to be... but I guess you gotta start somewhere! I’ll take a look.
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If you have all the needed parts in front of you it takes usually only a day to assemble them. Hardest part is building the frame. Parallel wiring is pretty easy and this way you can literally use as much strips as you want as long as you stay below 1,4A per strip. Even the 1st EB generation could be driven at max current without heat sinks, gen 2 too and gen 3 anyways.
 
HortiBloom

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DocofRock said:
Greetings RIU! I seem to have a problem with this hobby — it’s burning a hole in my pocket. I’m presently using QB’s, but I’ve been looking a lot into these two particular lighting systems and just wanted to get some input. I realize that DIY builds can be comparable for much cheaper, but I love the frames for these.

How are the lights, for those that have used them? What feedback and pros/cons could you provide about these particular lights? Both look fantastic and are extremely efficient. Worth the price?

Cheers.
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Just give you another option, our newest Mega Plus use Samsung lm301b & Cree xpe 660nm, draw 650w on the wall, 2.8 umol/J, folding and easy installation, we also have 1080w model :)
mega plus 2.jpg
 
mrfreshy

mrfreshy

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PSUAGRO. said:
Between the two, fluence imo, evolve seems heavy......should also look at gavita in this price range with a fixed spec + certs.

I don't need to tell you that diy is your best bang for your buck? .... Blux eb gen 3, 2700k, 90 cri strips could be promising for flowering cannabis.
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where might one go about getting some of the EB gen 3 strips?
 
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