Illinois legalization Jan 1st 2020!!!

[Warpedpassage]

Another case where all these cop apologists should have a look. So sick of hearing they dont make they laws, just enforce them. Here you you have them clearly interfering to limits the rights of citizens. Not so surprisingly attempting to hold onto, minimal as they may be, coercive powers for the state. Also look at philly this week, people and even some shitty politicians attempting to blunt the brutality of these insane drug laws. Also being stymied by various leo agencies.

 

[Sunbiz1]

[QUOTE="Warpedpassage, Also being stymied by various leo agencies.[/QUOTE]

Big pharma certainly doesn't want people growing their own medicine.
Gotta love economic laws, which make a select few rich; and screw over the majority.

 

[PopeyeSpinach]

How long do you think before nobody bats an eye at their neighbor growing pot?

About another twenty years maybe? 100??

I guess it will vary by region, so nationwide...probably 100 years

 

[Warpedpassage]

[/QUOTE]Big pharma certainly doesn't want people growing their own medicine.
Gotta love economic laws, which make a select few rich; and screw over the majority.[/QUOTE]

Certainly, pharma and other financial and commerical interests fight legalization and normalization whenever they get the chance. Its frustrating to see how often leo leads the public relations campaign against legalization. And its always the same script , and a significant number of people will always give leo benefit of the doubt.

 

[Warpedpassage]

How long do you think before nobody bats an eye at their neighbor growing pot?

About another twenty years maybe? 100??

I guess it will vary by region, so nationwide...probably 100 years

I have to say the normaliztion of canna in different parts of the country have far exceeded my expectations from 20 years ago. Much of illinois is a pretty conservative lot. I do think that the whole cbd movement has really opened up minds of a lot of older folks.

 

[medviper]

Fucking Bullshit....fuck this state...I knew we were gonna a get a shitbag of bill before Pritzker even won the election. He said he liked Washington States model, which imo is shit... fuck Illinois

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-illinois-marijuana-legalization-will-likely-prohibit-home-grow-20190513-story.html?fbclid=IwAR3Cx1QZlT7aF9nC_ldaZRJrD6cLVYxKgYe0n1ZNSARIQZDPS4sfimaVL90

Big pharma certainly doesn't want people growing their own medicine.
Gotta love economic laws, which make a select few rich; and screw over the majority.

the selfish monopolizing commercial growers are of course the ones putting the screws to and pulling the strings of the politicians not supporting private home grows.
“These are my babies,” Hogan says. “Each and every one we love tenderly. … It’s just like being a baker. Pop it in and ding! Get another.”
As state lawmakers consider legalizing marijuana for adults 21 and over next year, company officials plan to expand the business to fill their 94,000-square-foot building.
Illinois Grown is the latest of 20 facilities licensed by the state since 2015 to begin growing and selling medical marijuana. Recognizing an unprecedented opportunity to sell to the public, many of the cultivators want to supply the new recreational market by themselves, with no new competition, until demand requires otherwise. Under the legalization proposal, they would get their wish, at least temporarily.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-medical-marijuana-growers-recreational-market-in-illinois-20190515-story.html

 

[PopeyeSpinach]

Personally, for my entire life, i will boycott anything cultivated by the Cronos Group

Cronos group = new face of Marlboro

 

[woody333333]

It will pass, we have strip clubs that are basically brothels, casinos and slot machine/video poker bars, most bars and restaurants have slots......sure theres a chance it wont pass by June, but bet it passes this year.... this is Illinois the only reason things like this get bogged down is when all the corrupt politicians start sticking their hands out

Lingerie parlors

 

[medviper]

chicagotribune.com
The Illinois marijuana legalization debate: Who's afraid of a little home grow?
John De Friel and Randal John Meyer
4-5 minutes
Why are Illinois legislators trying to perpetuate the war on drugs against home gardeners in their cannabis legalization bill? That is exactly what the proposed cannabis home-grow ban amendment to Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s legalization plan would do.

To be sure, Gov. Pritzker’s ambitious plan to legalize cannabis legislatively is an important one, and much of the bill should serve as a model for other states going down the legalization path. However, the Illinois bill makes the unfortunate political error of wading into a concern that has derailed legalization efforts in states such as New York: home grow. Expected amendments to the bill from state Sen. Heather Steans, D-Chicago, and state Reps. Kelly Cassidy, D-Chicago, and Toi Hutchinson, D-Olympia Fields, eliminate provisions that would allow individuals to grow up to five cannabis plants at home.

Indeed, the New York Medical Cannabis Industry Association’s opposition to allowing home-grown cannabis was quickly attacked as “individual and corporate greed” by cannabis consumer advocacy groups, contributing to the downfall of the bill this legislative session in New York. Already, the Illinois chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws has noted that any such change could result in the loss of its support for the bill.

Frankly, NORML and other critics have a point. This amendment would amount to a carve-out more significant than any government-subsidized agriculture product. Home vegetable and herb gardens are not under legal threat by the farming industry; home brewing of personal-use beer has not been outlawed in any state since 2013; and home cultivation of personal-use tobacco is not illegal.

It makes no sense to outlaw home cultivation of cannabis in legal states, let alone to try to enforce such a ban. If law-abiding citizens are able to buy home-brew beer kits, then adults ought to be able to grow, trim and cure a safer substance. Even tobacco companies don’t try to stop individuals from growing tobacco and smoking homemade cigarettes. Cannabis cronyism is jumping the shark by endangering the next step in cannabis legalization in states like Illinois and New York.

From an industry perspective, home-grown cannabis accounts for a tiny percentage of overall market share. The results of the home-grown process are unlikely to compare favorably with the quality of commercially available products. Furthermore, the time and attention that home cultivation requires only attracts the most dedicated hobbyists.

This is why the Global Alliance for Cannabis Commerce has endorsed continuing the trend that occurred in previous legalization efforts by allowing home-grown cannabis, noting that “humans have been both gardening and consuming cannabis — safely — since the Stone Age.” The bottom line is that home grow for personal use is not a serious threat to industry vibrancy and presents the same public health concerns as home gardening and home brewing — virtually none.
The state of Illinois should leave people alone to enjoy gardening rather than perpetuating drug war policies.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-marijuana-legalization-home-grow-pritzker-20190520-story.html#

 

[Warpedpassage]

The results of the home-grown process are unlikely to compare favorably with the quality of commercially available products.

Haha, keep telling yourselves that.

Edit: quote above from trib article, not medviper.

 

[Sunbiz1]

the selfish monopolizing commercial growers are of course the ones putting the screws to and pulling the strings of the politicians not supporting private home grows.
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Considering this bill includes pardoning 800,000 past marijuana related offenses, would they even consider prosecuting residents; should they do it anyways?.
And they better bring their pricing down:
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East Coast Sour Diesel
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I hear constant complaints about this from 3 med card holders.

 

[medviper]

I hear constant complaints about this from 3 med card holders.

scandalous prices for something that we share or giveaway to one another in our small reciprocal circle without any strings attached.
lot of people on ss can barely afford a weeks worth of groceries at $60.

 

[medviper]

Considering this bill includes pardoning 800,000 past marijuana related offenses, would they even consider prosecuting residents; should they do it anyways?.

that's a shabby borderline extortionist deal, these pardons that those corporate shill lawmakers are dangling like bait should be granted outright without exception.
damn crooked bullshiting politicians only care about campaign donations for favors an getting reelected for their own personal financial benefit.
they can care less about the little guy.

 

[Sunbiz1]

that's a shabby borderline extortionist deal, these pardons that those corporate shill lawmakers are dangling like bait should be granted outright without exception.
damn crooked bullshiting politicians only care about campaign donations for favors an getting reelected for their own personal financial benefit.
they can care less about the little guy.

Interesting article that may interest you:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/how-legalization-changed-humboldt-county-weed?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Everywhere corporations go, they fuck things up.

 

[Terps420]

Haha, keep telling yourselves that.

Edit: quote above from trib article, not medviper.

Ya in 20yrs of growing for myself and family members, id do a side by side grow off with any commercial grower, and let the final results speak for themselves.. The small growers are very different than a commercial grower cause unlike them the ma & pa growers care bout what others are ingesting or putting into their products.. Monsanto methods dont work for the small growers. Ive tried buds from many dispensaries out west. Outta the numerous samples ive tried, i can count on one hand on how many of them was actually done right from start to finish.. So i agree with ur comment.. Thx

 

[sasquatch19]

Well, the bill has been signed... That's kind of positive?

As a patient, I will be allowed to grow, but I still feel like removing home grow for all residents 21+ was a seriously shitty deal.
770,000 residents should also be eligible to have their prior convictions overturned. That's good too.
With the licensing of up to 150 new cultivators, that should help bring the prices down a little. Currently at $55 1/8 at my local dispensaries.
We also got something that NO other state has legally, Cannabis based businesses. "Coffee Shops", Bud & Breakfast, and Smoking Lounges/Parlors.

This means there will be potential for new jobs in the industry. Which is a good thing, since Pritzker's minimum wage bill will KILL all the small businesses in Illinois by the time we make it to that $15/hr. mark.

When these places are charging $55-$60 1/8, they should have no issue paying their workers $15/hr.

 

[hotrodharley]

Considering this bill includes pardoning 800,000 past marijuana related offenses, would they even consider prosecuting residents; should they do it anyways?.
And they better bring their pricing down:
GOLDLEAF

East Coast Sour Diesel
SATIVA
$60EIGHTH
http://zenleafil.com/menu.php

I hear constant complaints about this from 3 med card holders.

From Alaska here. The pressure to pop black marketeers comes from the legally licensed growers. Trust me. Further each state seems to be copying Washington state now where you can’t grow at home. In Colorado recently there was a huge bust involving over 200 illegal grows. Just know everyone that you are up against. Further you guys dreaming about being paid what you think you’re worth? Come visit here and meet the growers. There’s pot growers and there’s money people and these are never in the same person. Never. The pros who actually know how to grow are not flush enough to fund anything more than a limited grow. 500 square feet of grow space total for those licenses.

 

[PopeyeSpinach]

We also got something that NO other state has legally, Cannabis based businesses. "Coffee Shops", Bud & Breakfast, and Smoking Lounges/Parlors.
$15/hr.

All that means is that you will only see these establishments in the citys that currently have strip clubs and or drive thru liquor stores.

You're not going to see any cannabis businesses that allows cannabis to be used in any city that has so much as 1 old reefer Madness white person on the City Council.

 

[hotrodharley]

All that means is that you will only see these establishments in the citys that currently have strip clubs and or drive thru liquor stores.

You're not going to see any cannabis businesses that allows cannabis to be used in any city that has so much as 1 old reefer Madness white person on the City Council.

The marijuana control board here actually approved on-site consumption. However laws prohibiting smoking in any public building has been against state law here for a few years. Ultimately it means you can ingest your overpriced and underpowered edible at some designated indoor area. Can’t be seen swallowing your 5 MILLIGRAM MAXIMUM edible. That’s the maximum allowable THC content in any single offering.

Now another word to anyone who will listen - odor control ends up being the issue at city council meetings or wherever grow operations have to go for permit approval. Odor control I’ll guarantee you is part of your law there. It is a rallying issue for “those who oppose”. Read the regs regarding it.

In Illinois you should be able to create a business just involved in heating, cooling, air circulation and odor control specifically for cannabis operations and do very well. Understand someone will be on call after hours

One county near Spokane WA ended up prohibiting all cannabis business. Including growing legally per state law. All over odor. Go to a hearing on a permit application and hear some yahoo “Why it smells like someone is farming dadgummed skunks! It gives my family and anyone coming to our house a headache.”

 

[hotrodharley]

For our growing friends in Illinois. Going on our third year legal here in Alaska. THIS IS THE TRUTH YOU WILL READ! Growers and consumers alike would do well to read absolutely anything you can from people in the profession and not from the consumers and black marketeers (ahem) when it comes to buying legal at a store.

https://www.beardbrospharms.com/news/2019/7/16/thc-testing-is-bullshit-and-youre-getting-screwed-m2h4g?fbclid=IwAR3l0E9yC8ySvZHm2GOT0OPJQrKUkpzcbLaFL3KU-Rau8AKYULhUHJaV9J4

The game is going on here. The analytical lab stuff since opening could be a weekly television series on Netflix. One was so bad it got shut down. Then another was giving out these analyses that damned sure didn’t agree with the product. Some states are better than others but read these people and be able to have some input into the legislative process. If we are held as producers to all these strict regulations and penalties every business involved in cannabis needs to be held to the same standards or face penalties.