Biden won't beat Trump

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Superdelegates had no role in Clinton winning the nomination.
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So what is the role of Superdelegates?
Fogdog said:
Sanders' organization participated in rules changes and they agreed with other members of the DNC to strip superdelegates of their votes in the first round at the Democratic National Convention. If any candidate wins the majority of delegates selected by voters, there will be no votes cast by superdelegates.
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If nobody breaches 50%, will you support the Superdelegates decision if it's different than the popular vote?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
So what is the role of Superdelegates?

If nobody breaches 50%, will you support the Superdelegates decision if it's different than the popular vote?
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You are playing a hypothetical. That hasn't happened since the Democratic Party adopted primaries as the method to select a candidate.

If the 2020 DNC is brokered then the party leaders -- governors, senators and representatives will participate in following rounds. In the first round, 100% of all delegates will be elected in primaries or caucuses, most of whom are bound to vote for a specific candidate. If there is no majority result in the first round then superdelegates will participate along with all elected delegates. In the second and later rounds nobody will be bound to vote for a specific candidate. If they occur, 15% will be superdelegates, 85% will be ones that were sent to the convention by state chapters of the Democratic party. The decision cannot possibly be as you describe -- "the Superdelegates decision" -- because they are too few in number to have that much of an effect.

Regarding what I would do in this event? I can't imagine any candidate emerging as the choice from a brokered Democratic National Convention being worse than Trump. So, without any more information available, I'd say most likely I would vote for their selection.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
You are playing a hypothetical. That hasn't happened since the Democratic Party adopted primaries as the method to select a candidate.

If the 2020 DNC is brokered then the party leaders -- governors, senators and representatives will participate in following rounds. In the first round, 100% of all delegates will be elected in primaries or caucuses, most of whom are bound to vote for a specific candidate. If there is no majority result in the first round then superdelegates will participate along with all elected delegates. In the second and later rounds nobody will be bound to vote for a specific candidate. If they occur, 15% will be superdelegates, 85% will be ones that were sent to the convention by state chapters of the Democratic party. The decision cannot possibly be as you describe -- "the Superdelegates decision" -- because they are too few in number to have that much of an effect.

Regarding what I would do in this event? I can't imagine any candidate emerging as the choice from a brokered Democratic National Convention being worse than Trump. So, without any more information available, I'd say most likely I would vote for their selection.
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"Their" is who?

Edit: Also, what is the role of 'Superdelegates'?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
"Their" is who?

Edit: Also, what is the role of 'Superdelegates'?
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Can't you read? The superdelegates vote in later rounds. The make up 15% of the vote. They cannot as you say "make the decision". I can't imagine any candidate emerging as the choice from a brokered Democratic National Convention being worse than Trump. So, without any more information available, I'd say most likely I would vote for the Democratic National Convention's selection.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
OK, good. That's all I was trying to get on record; you would support the Democratic party elite over that of party voters
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Nope. I didn't say that. It's what you believe. I know numbers are hard for you to understand so I'll keep it easy. 85% is a much larger number than 15%. The decision will be made by the 85% super majority of delegates who were selected by voters. So, you are just paranoid, not rational. Nothing new here.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Nope. I didn't say that. It's what you believe. I know numbers are hard for you to understand so I'll keep it easy. 85% is a much larger number than 15%. The decision will be made by the 85% super majority of delegates who were selected by voters. So, you are just paranoid, not rational. Nothing new here.
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OK, so then just say it here on record. If the superdelegates choose someone else in the 2nd round if nobody earns 51%, you will oppose it

Simple enough, right?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
OK, so then just say it here on record. If the superdelegates choose someone else in the 2nd round if nobody earns 51%, you will oppose it

Simple enough, right?
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Simple except its wrong. Then lets just say it here for the record:

Super delegates don't choose anybody. Delegates at the Democratic National Convention choose the candidate if nobody has a majority after the first round. Superdelegates amount to a mere 15% of the convention's delegates.
 
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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Simple except its wrong. Then lets just say it here for the record:

Super delegates don't choose anybody. The Democratic National Convention chooses the candidate if nobody has a majority after the first round. Superdelegates amount to a mere 15% of the convention's delegates.
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If the result of the Democratic primary is changed from who the majority of the Democratic voters choose by the Democratic party superdelegates, will you oppose it or not?

Don't say it won't be. Don't say it can't be. That's not what is being asked and you know it. You know what's being asked.

If voters choose Sanders, but he fails to earn 51%, then the superdelegates choose Biden, will you support Biden, who the superdelegates want, or Sanders, who the voters want?

Simple question. If you beat around the bush in answering it again, we all know who you will support, it'll be a tacit admission that you will support the superdelegates decision and Biden completely subverting democracy, like the authoritarian you are
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
If the result of the Democratic primary is changed from who the majority of the Democratic voters choose by the Democratic party superdelegates, will you oppose it or not?

Don't say it won't be. Don't say it can't be. That's not what is being asked and you know it. You know what's being asked.

If voters choose Sanders, but he fails to earn 51%, then the superdelegates choose Biden, will you support Biden, who the superdelegates want, or Sanders, who the voters want?

Simple question. If you beat around the bush in answering it again, we all know who you will support, it'll be a tacit admission that you will support the superdelegates decision and Biden completely subverting democracy, like the authoritarian you are
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Let's just state the obvious. You are concerned that the leaders in the party otherwise called superdelegates who make up only 15% of the delegates in the second or third round vote together as a bloc and in a close vote, push the nomination to somebody other than Bernie. Yes, its likely that Democratic Party Leaders will vote together as a bloc. Baby boy, the rules were decided in 2016. Sanders team agreed to it. They did. Just go back and have a look at the news reports. They voted for the rules that will play out now. If you cry foul because Bernie lost because Democratic Party Leadership chose to vote together and don't vote for Bernie, I'm going to have a great laugh at you.

Bernie is going to lose because he's a shitty campaigner. He was a shitty campaigner in 2016, he was a shitty campaigner when he campaigned for Hillary, he has been a shitty campaigner ever since 2016 and he will be a shitty campaigner in 2020. His medical bill is crap. He has repeatedly shown himself to be ignorant about issues that affect black people and women's issues and he tears down any attempts to build bridges to him. He doesn't work well with others and alienates them. He is already crapping the bed for Democrats. Not just leadership but for anybody who really cares about beating Donald Trump. When he loses, it will not be because of superdelegates even if they vote as a bloc against him. 85% of non-party leadership attending the convention as delegates would be plenty if Bernie were a good politician but he is not.

Regarding your stupid question, superdelegates cannot select a candidate all by themselves should there be a brokered convention. It is numerically impossible. That said, Bernie will lose because he's shit for brains when it comes to politics.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
Let's just state the obvious. You are concerned that the leaders in the party otherwise called superdelegates who make up only 15% of the delegates in the second or third round vote together as a bloc and in a close vote, push the nomination to somebody other than Bernie. Yes, its likely that Democratic Party Leaders will vote together as a bloc. Baby boy, the rules were decided in 2016. Sanders team agreed to it. They did. Just go back and have a look at the news reports. They voted for the rules that will play out now. If you cry foul because Bernie lost because Democratic Party Leadership chose to vote together and don't vote for Bernie, I'm going to have a great laugh at you.

Bernie is going to lose because he's a shitty campaigner. He was a shitty campaigner in 2016, he was a shitty campaigner when he campaigned for Hillary, he has been a shitty campaigner ever since 2016 and he will be a shitty campaigner in 2020. His medical bill is crap. He has repeatedly shown himself to be ignorant about issues that affect black people and women's issues and he tears down any attempts to build bridges to him. He doesn't work well with others and alienates them. He is already crapping the bed for Democrats. Not just leadership but for anybody who really cares about beating Donald Trump. When he loses, it will not be because of superdelegates even if they vote as a bloc against him. 85% of non-party leadership attending the convention as delegates would be plenty if Bernie were a good politician but he is not.

Regarding your stupid question, superdelegates cannot select a candidate all by themselves should there be a brokered convention. It is numerically impossible. That said, Bernie will lose because he's shit for brains when it comes to politics.
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