Anyone ever tried grafting marijuana onto a plant from the Celtis genus?

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SteinOfPyron

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I’m looking to see if anyone has experimented with grafting pot plants onto trees from the Celtis genus of plants, as they belong to the same family as marijuana, curious about the possibility of growing onto something like Japanese Hackberry. There are some older and almost tree sized Japanese Hackberry plants on some land I was looking at starting a guerrilla grow on and I’m wanting to see if it’s fees-able, I already know I can get a 30’ ladder to them without trouble and can graft without being spotted. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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Hydrotech364 said:
I was able to graft a Cannabis root system into/onto a Hops plant, got to be about 15 ft and one of my old friends made some beer out of it. THC Content without Trich's. I couldn't smoke it so I never tried it again. Circa 1987.
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Thats pretty fuckin' awesome! I had always heard it was a myth. Nice to meet someone that actually pulled it off.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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Did a quick search and below in italic is what I had read on the subject a while back, it said the hops portion of the plant didn't produce THC in their study.

"One of the most persistent myths in marijuana lore concerns grafting Cannabis to its closest relative. Humulus, the hops plant of beer-making fame. The myth is that a hops scion (shoot or top portion of the stem) grafted to a marijuana stock (lower stem and root) will contain the active ingredients of marijuana. The beauty of such a graft is that it would be difficult to identify as marijuana and, possible, the plant would not be covered under marijuana statutes. Unfortunately, the myth is false. It is possible to successfully graft Cannabis with Humulus, but the hops portion will not contain any cannabinoids.

In 1975, the research team of Crombie and Crombie grafted hops scions on Cannabis stocks from both hemp and marijuana (Thailand) plants 205. Cannabis scions were also grafted to hops stocks. In both cases, the Cannabis portion of the graft continued to produce its characteristic amounts of cannabinoids when compared to ungrafted controls, but the hops portions of the grafts contained no cannabinoids. This experiment was well-designed and carried out. Sophisticated methods were used for detecting THC, THCV, CBD, CBC, CBN, and CBG. Yet none of these were detected in the hops portions.

The grafting myth grew out of work by H.E. Warmke, which was carried out for the government during the early 1940's in an attempt to develop hemp strains that would not contain the "undesirable" drug 58. The testing procedure for the active ingredients was crude. Small animals, such as the water flea Daphnia, were immersed in water with various concentration of acetone extracts from hemp. The strength of the drug was estimated by the number of animals killed in a given period of time. As stated by Warmke, "The Daphnia assay is not specific for the marijuana drug ... once measures any and all toxic substances in hemp (or hop) leaves that are extracted with acetone, whether or not these have specific marijuana activity." Clearly it was other compounds, not cannabinoids, that were detected in these grafting experiments.

Unfortunately, this myth has caused some growers to waste a lot of time and effort in raising a worthless stash of hops leaves. It has also leg growers to some false conclusions about the plant. For instance, if the hops scion contains cannabinoids, the reasonable assumption is that the cannabinoids are being produced in the Cannabis part and translocated to the hops scion, or that the Cannabis root or stem is responsible for producing the cannabinoids precursors.

From this assumption, growers also get the idea that the resin is flowing in the plant. The myth has bolstered the ideas that cutting, splitting, or bending the stem will send the resin up the plant or prevent the resin from going down the plant. As explained in our discussion of resin glands in section 2, these ideas are erroneous. Only a small percentage of the cannabinoids are present in the internal tissues (laticiferous cells) of the plant. Almost all the cannabinoids are contained and manufactured in the resin glands, which cover the outer surfaces of the above-ground plant parts. Cannabinoids remain in the resin glands and are not translocated to other plant parts.

We have heard several claims that leaves from hops grafted on marijuana were psychoactive. Only one such case claimed to be first hand, and we never did see or smoke the material. We doubt these claims. Hops plants do have resin glands similar to those on marijuana, and many of the substances that make up the resin are common to both plants. But of several species and many varieties of hops tested with modern techniques for detecting cannabinoids, no cannabinoids have ever been detected 212.

The commercially valuable component of hops is lupulin, a mildly psychoactive substance used to make beer. To our knowledge, no other known psychoactive substances has been isolated from hops. But since these grafting claims persist, perhaps pot-heads should take a closer look at the hops plant.

Most growers who have tried grafting Cannabis and Humulus are unsuccessful. Compared to many plants, Cannabis does not take grafts easily. Most of the standard grafting techniques you've probably seen for grafting Cannabis simply don't work. For example, at the University of Mississippi, researchers failed to get one successful graft from the sixty that were attempted between Cannabis and Humulus. A method that works about 40 percent of the time is as follows. (Adapted from 205)

Start the hops plants one to two weeks before the marijuana plants. Plant the seeds within six inches of each other or start them in separate six-inch pots. The plants are ready to graft when the seedling are strong (about five and four weeks respectively) but their stem has not lost their soft texture. Make a diagonal incision about halfway through each stem at approximate the same levels (hops is a vine). Insert the cut portions into each other. Seal the graft with cellulose tape, wound string, or other standard grafting materials. In about two weeks, the graft will have taken. Then cut away the unwanted Cannabis top and the hops bottom to complete the graft. Good luck, but don't expect to get high from the hops leaves. {Smoking any plant's leaves will give a short, slight buzz.}"

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Renfro

Renfro

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SteinOfPyron said:
I’m looking to see if anyone has experimented with grafting pot plants onto trees from the Celtis genus of plants, as they belong to the same family as marijuana, curious about the possibility of growing onto something like Japanese Hackberry. There are some older and almost tree sized Japanese Hackberry plants on some land I was looking at starting a guerrilla grow on and I’m wanting to see if it’s fees-able, I already know I can get a 30’ ladder to them without trouble and can graft without being spotted. Any help would be appreciated.
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As to the matter of the original post, you would not be able to graft cannabis to a tree. As far as I know hops is about as far as you can go away from cannabis because they are very closely related.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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SteinOfPyron said:
Anyone else know of any other high growing tree like plants that are close enough to pot it could be grafted to?
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Do a google search on grafting cannabis and read up on the situation. I think hops is the only plant anyone has pulled off a cannabis graft with.
 
KannGregory

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I'm not sure this complicated manipulation will give you the result you want. For me, it is better to keep the cbd plant safe. I wish I could grow it too, but I don't have any place in my yard for it. However I think of trying when I move to a bigger house
 
Wizzlebiz

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buckaclark said:
View attachment 5230248View attachment 5230249Welcome ,new member,this is a watermelon plant grafted onto a bottle gourd rootstock.
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I have to understand the why behind this project. Is there benefit to this? Or just a cool thing to have fun with?

This is pretty fucking cool regardless of the reason tbh but I have to know why lol.

Oh and those are a nice pair of melons you have there. :hump:
 
buckaclark

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Wizzlebiz said:
I have to understand the why behind this project. Is there benefit to this? Or just a cool thing to have fun with?

This is pretty fucking cool regardless of the reason tbh but I have to know why lol.

Oh and those are a nice pair of melons you have there. :hump:
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IMG_20221007_153823468_HDR.jpgIMG_20221007_153112427.jpgOur friend is a competition grower.The normal watermelon rootstock won't hold up to the demands of competition growers,hence the grafting.Really good seedling grafters are still rare for watermelon/Bottle gourd.The Pumpkins was 1200 pounds and the largest Watermelon this year was around 200.
 
Wizzlebiz

Wizzlebiz

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buckaclark said:
View attachment 5231643View attachment 5231644Our friend is a competition grower.The normal watermelon rootstock won't hold up to the demands of competition growers,hence the grafting.Really good seedling grafters are still rare for watermelon/Bottle gourd.The Pumpkins was 1200 pounds and the largest Watermelon this year was around 200.
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1200 lb pumpkin. My lord....

Thank you for the explanation on this. Pretty cool indeed.
 
PadawanWarrior

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Wizzlebiz said:
I have to understand the why behind this project. Is there benefit to this? Or just a cool thing to have fun with?

This is pretty fucking cool regardless of the reason tbh but I have to know why lol.

Oh and those are a nice pair of melons you have there. :hump:
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Some people graft many different strains to a plant so they can have multiple strains all considered the same plant. For plant counts and shit. I've seen people on here do it.

In the old days I heard they did it so they could put plants at the top of dead trees to be more concealed for gorillas grows. But that could just be a rumor.
 
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