hybridway2
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Yup, took the door off. Is brighter for sure.
HLG vs HGL Side By Side
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Randomblame
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Nope, had not seen them yet but hey, they look promising...
Much better like the over prized oldtimers and efficiency should be much better.
But a few things still sound like before an make no sense to me.
The driver efficiency for instance has a big impact on yield and overall efficiency. 88 vs. 94% means 6% more power consumption/6% less efficiency for nothing. A light with 2,5μMol/J system efficiency would have 2,65μMol/J just because of the better driver. And when you connect the boards in parallel its also fail safe, if one board gets a defect the other would just get a little more current but the amount of light would still be the same(minus a little efficiency loss).
If they would sell only the boards for DIY'ers like HLG and other companies that would be a good move.
A PAR map is also not enough today.
At least total output(PPF), watts and efficiency in % or μMol/j are neccessary!!
I also don't believe it's a special 120° dome on the 3030 package(at least not on that picture in the description). The better solution for a board to optimize it for low distances would be a 150° wide angle lens. If its really something special I want to see the spectral distribution curve.
And a few things are simply not true! A better spectrum makes no 50% difference in yield. Fact is, a good blurple spectrum yields only around 1% better like 3000°k. There are many ways to skin the cat and if the goal is efficiency I would use a combo of 5600°k/CRI70 white to get the neccessary blue and green part and add 640, 670 and 730nm. That would lower the production costs, would increase efficiency and the spectral output would stay almost the same.
But that's my sight on this!
These boards are for sure a step in the right direction and now they have at least something with comparable efficiency to the QBv1 and v2. They are probably somewhere in between... The spectrum has proven to work and it maybe also fix some problems which can occur under white light(purpleling on stems and petioles for instance).
When they now start to sell the boards separately for lets say 99 bucks I see no reason not to use them.
Moflow
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I fired them off an email last night enquiring about boards on their own, specs, price etc for DIY purposes ..... awaiting a reply
Moflow
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I received a reply.
Yes, we will have the option to purchase boards on their own. We will have our 35W with the integrated driver and our 50W that uses an external driver. Once we have the first round of production complete (2-3 weeks from today) we will do PPFD maps on all our products, including DIY boards. Our 50W boards will require specialized drivers however, as the volts to run them is between 70-80V, and most drivers these days are only going up to about 48V of output. Please let me know which ones you were interested in. The pricing will be $69 per 50W board and $59 per 35W board.
Yes, we will have the option to purchase boards on their own. We will have our 35W with the integrated driver and our 50W that uses an external driver. Once we have the first round of production complete (2-3 weeks from today) we will do PPFD maps on all our products, including DIY boards. Our 50W boards will require specialized drivers however, as the volts to run them is between 70-80V, and most drivers these days are only going up to about 48V of output. Please let me know which ones you were interested in. The pricing will be $69 per 50W board and $59 per 35W board.
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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"The driver efficiency for instance has a big impact on yield and overall efficiency."
>i dunno bro..first i heard this..sure electrical cost..
but on the yield thing.. a watt a is a watt and the readings are similar
>i dunno bro..first i heard this..sure electrical cost..
but on the yield thing.. a watt a is a watt and the readings are similar
the less efficient the driver is the less power it can supply the pcb with the less amount of photons are emitted the lower your yield is gonna be. logical thinking anyone?
and there are gonna be a lot of inefficient drivers for these boards, losing more electricity:
from the devil‘s mouth:
why does a panel with no separate channels need more than one driver besides the owner is cheap as fuck and greedy as possible?
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Rocket Soul
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Its on-board drivers, similar to ac-cobs. Suppose to be 88%.
Rocket Soul
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I think some will get onboard drivers, some get external driver. Not sure
hybridway2
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Idk why but UnitFarm is selling at like 40-45% off guys.
@Unit Farm System Supply, wazuppy!!!
Nice prices there! How's it going?
Can we get a spectral chart / spd pls.? And maybe a brief description of why you choose your spectrum?
Can you compete with HydroGrow? Yields, growth, plant health, happy spectrum ect....
You use high quality parts. Are the diodes top-bin?
What would you recomend to get the most out of a 4x4?
Are you selling these discounted because there's a new design coming out?
@Unit Farm System Supply, wazuppy!!!
Nice prices there! How's it going?
Can we get a spectral chart / spd pls.? And maybe a brief description of why you choose your spectrum?
Can you compete with HydroGrow? Yields, growth, plant health, happy spectrum ect....
You use high quality parts. Are the diodes top-bin?
What would you recomend to get the most out of a 4x4?
Are you selling these discounted because there's a new design coming out?
Rocket Soul
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Could this be intensity related? Emmerson effect is more relevant on lower intensities, could this be the same for this sortakindablurple? In the side by side it seems like the hgl plant gets lower intensities overall which could be why hybrid says it doesnt get "led deficiencies" but the plant response to the beefed up spectrum makes it grow well even with less light.
That's a very good point and further proves "led defeciency" isn't a real thing.
Rocket Soul
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I dont know, nor have a horse in that race. We get weird deficiencies with our led veg but it looks more like HIR, high irradiance response. Purpling etc. Hard to get the plant used to taking more light during 16/8. On 12/12 its easier to ramp up for us. But still, our vegg suck a bit.
hybridway2
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In my experience so far, these particular RGB lights do not cause the LedDefficiency Effect as far as i can tell.
That is why i aquired the old Alpha models so i can grow "White led Deffient Plants" instead of firing up the MH. Now i can stay all led.
But yes, higher intensities/densities of white led can cause a plant to get finicky & lead to LedDefficiency if not prepared or strain dependent .
hybridway2
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Tell that to the thousands of CoCo growers who made the switch thinking thats all that needed to be done & lost 100's of thousands of coin.
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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Are you guys sure about this.?
...just because its not as efficient ...does that mean it doesn't deliver the same wattage?
a 300w driver is a 300 w driver as far as i know..
Why can't it just be less efficient at supplying the correct wattage..?
The last thing i profess to be is an expert
..but this is the first time i have heard this
and driver efficiency has come up more than a few times here in the last few years
kotobide
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But the blurple light is showing more red stems than the white light
I'd rather tell them to get better at growing an not make up excuses
aren‘t we‘re talking system efficiency?
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rkymtnman
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i think you are correct. a 80% efficient driver i believe would use more incoming current to deliver 300 watts versus a 90% efficient driver delivering 300 watts.
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