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quiescent

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40AmpstoFreedom said:
And you cannot breed this out or 'stabilize' these genes currently. To try is to completely guess by tossing plants. Until we can see the genes responsible and cut them out specifically you have no fucking idea what you are throwing away or recombining in the grand scheme of things. Cannabis just isn't at that level of research yet.

To bitch about anything that has any of the top cannabis genes in the world throwing a random hermie is such a mute point currently.

Thread is ridiculous and it's sad this is such a large part of the canna community. Really seems like a lot of very young growers just can't get this shit through their head. There is no escaping plants that can throw pollen with nearly all of today's elites whether it is fem or reg.

PS NEARLY ALL OF THE OLD school reg lines do the same shit. Whether it's black widow/sharkshock/haze/skunk from shanti, sensi, GHS, flying dutchmen, or dp.

In the words of Nev and shanti in regards to herms in their traditional lines: "to try to get rid of them is to throw the baby out with the bath water."
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Preach.

I don't post in a seed makers thread after having 3 out of 19 feminized plants throwing late flower nanners if ECSD is half the genetic makeup. Why? It's expected. Same goes for chem, cookies, OGs, etc. If you're not expecting them you're not doing your due diligence as the grower. If they don't show up, awesome, for most they will.

I do think it's possible to reduce the amount of intersex plants with careful selections but at what cost, right?

I'm not sure what Heisen's long term goal is, where his work ends or whatever but at some point in the future he's gonna have to introduce male plants from a vast selection of well worked familial lines (OG, chem, diesel, something super fruity, fruity gas, citrus, etc..... think f4 or multiple BXs) because he's gonna hit a dead end with the fems at some point if sexual stability is the goal. Feminized seeds can get you to point B, C and maybe even D pretty fast but it can also be hard to keep the recessives in the genotype showing.

Gotta pick what you're breeding for. Every noob grower wants to grow the most potent, best tasting, stinkiest, perfectly structured, biggest yielding, fastest finishing, homogenous strains that don't herm. Pick 4/7 and maybe you'll get lucky on an outcross and get 5/7 max but if it's American genetics it's never gonna be a super sexually stable line.

I will say that, generally IME, Euro genetics are more stable but not every line from a breeder is rock solid, some of em will be better than others as far as intersex traits go.
 
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1 Chunky Buds forming
2 Gorilla Glue
3 Walter White solo cup contest (flowered july 7) in a modified hydrofarm.
4 to 5 weeks to go. As long as i can keep these water systems trucking it should be an AWESOME harvest.

There were no sacks on any heisenbean i have grown. All plants have 3 weeks of veg (or more in a coco pot).

TDS 900 to 1000 Megacrop starting with 200ppm calmag. Flowers get 2 grams per 5 gallons of bud explosion as well.
 
Bodyne

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quiescent said:
Preach.

I don't post in a seed makers thread after having 3 out of 19 feminized plants throwing late flower nanners if ECSD is half the genetic makeup. Why? It's expected. Same goes for chem, cookies, OGs, etc. If you're not expecting them you're not doing your due diligence as the grower. If they don't show up, awesome, for most they will.

I do think it's possible to reduce the amount of intersex plants with careful selections but at what cost, right?

I'm not sure what Heisen's long term goal is, where his work ends or whatever but at some point in the future he's gonna have to introduce male plants from a vast selection of well worked familial lines (OG, chem, diesel, something super fruity, fruity gas, citrus, etc..... think f4 or multiple BXs) because he's gonna hit a dead end with the fems at some point if sexual stability is the goal. Feminized seeds can get you to point B, C and maybe even D pretty fast but it can also be hard to keep the recessives in the genotype showing.

Gotta pick what you're breeding for. Every noob grower wants to grow the most potent, best tasting, stinkiest, perfectly structured, biggest yielding, fastest finishing, homogenous strains that don't herm. Pick 4/7 and maybe you'll get lucky on an outcross and get 5/7 max but if it's American genetics it's never gonna be a super sexually stable line.

I will say that, generally IME, Euro genetics are more stable but not every line from a breeder is rock solid, some of em will be better than others as far as intersex traits go.
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You know whats funny, Q? when we were growing that chemD cut in Oregon in 2010-2013, none of us ever got any herms, nutsacks or anything. And that was the peel your head off potency ChemD that lasted for hours and basically grew itself. It was also the cut I was asked after I received to please start calling it Chem4, and I laughed and told the guy to get fucked, not only a lie, but no conditions when ya handed it to me awhile back. But the Portland boys, they said, were behind it, not sure why other than to hype the Chem4 and people were gonna lock down tite on their chemD cut. I notice nowadays, I get the taste but not that super strong potency, albeit potent, nor that easy to grow of a plant that cut was. I have to think s1's are being spread out named as actual cuts, or they passin diff phenos as cuts from bean packs, and those maybe "somebody's" ChemD, but not the real deal cut we had. We were even chucking making some ChemSis crosses with no herms or nutsacks. Not sure what happened. Something changed.
 
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Bodyne said:
You know whats funny, Q? when we were growing that chemD cut in Oregon in 2010-2013, none of us ever got any herms, nutsacks or anything. And that was the peel your head off potency ChemD that lasted for hours and basically grew itself. It was also the cut I was asked after I received to please start calling it Chem4, and I laughed and told the guy to get fucked, not only a lie, but no conditions when ya handed it to me awhile back. But the Portland boys, they said, were behind it, not sure why other than to hype the Chem4 and people were gonna lock down tite on their chemD cut. I notice nowadays, I get the taste but not that super strong potency, albeit potent, nor that easy to grow of a plant that cut was. I have to think s1's are being spread out named as actual cuts, or they passin diff phenos as cuts from bean packs, and those maybe "somebody's" ChemD, but not the real deal cut we had. We were even chucking making some ChemSis crosses with no herms or nutsacks. Not sure what happened. Something changed.
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Idk, the man that found all the chem plants said himself that they will herm easily if stressed.
 
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The buds are really dense and getting fat now. And the bud to leaf ratio on the GG4 is going to be a pleasure to trim. Next on deck space gorilla and purple cake. Currently in the veg tent starting out.

Pic 1 and 2 GG4 and pic 3 is Purple Punch. What a giant beast of a plant. The 2 plants take up 12 square feet in the bloom room.
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quiescent

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Bodyne said:
You know whats funny, Q? when we were growing that chemD cut in Oregon in 2010-2013, none of us ever got any herms, nutsacks or anything. And that was the peel your head off potency ChemD that lasted for hours and basically grew itself. It was also the cut I was asked after I received to please start calling it Chem4, and I laughed and told the guy to get fucked, not only a lie, but no conditions when ya handed it to me awhile back. But the Portland boys, they said, were behind it, not sure why other than to hype the Chem4 and people were gonna lock down tite on their chemD cut. I notice nowadays, I get the taste but not that super strong potency, albeit potent, nor that easy to grow of a plant that cut was. I have to think s1's are being spread out named as actual cuts, or they passin diff phenos as cuts from bean packs, and those maybe "somebody's" ChemD, but not the real deal cut we had. We were even chucking making some ChemSis crosses with no herms or nutsacks. Not sure what happened. Something changed.
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I wish I had experience with the D clone. I have a buddy that has chem91 but he wouldn't come off of it, same guy that has chocolate diesel as well. Thinking about it, most D crosses are probably better than the others for herms.... minus rez's work, lol. I guess I'd say Gu's stuff is pretty stable as well. The issue is definitely less present in chems than ECSD or OG crosses, yet still present to a point. 91 obviously being the worst offender.

I'm sure there's plenty of people rocking cuts that aren't what they think they are. I'm also certain plenty of people are making seeds with them as well. Could be exaggerating the issue.
 
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tommarijuana said:
A little over 2 months after recieving some pks of heisens beans,it was finally time to get some wet.I've seen some people talking about low germ rates.Put down 4 bridezilla's and 4 wedding pie x adub..idk..i got 100% germination ‍:blsmoke:
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Nah, maybe when they were real real new. I got 11/12 no probs at all.

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Black banana cookies s1. Grow credits go to lakegrow. Looking outstanding with 2 weeks left.View attachment 4364486 View attachment 4364487 View attachment 4364488
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Thats the shit. I've got 2 in flower but one cant shake its mutantness and one is not that vigorous but I have a bunch more and thats exacly what I am looking for. Well done that man.
 
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