Bernie Sanders goes to Canada with group to buy insulin

[DaFreak]

I don't know what the hell you just said

I'm talking about Martin Shkreli

copied from wiki "in September 2015, Shkreli received widespread criticism when Turing obtained the manufacturing license for the antiparasitic drug Daraprim and raised its price by a factor of 56 (from US$13.5 to $750 per pill), leading him to be referred to by the media as "the most hated man in America" and "Pharma Bro".

So I just find it amazing that Americans get upset about this guy and say he was crossed the line when big Pharma is ripping off America daily in amounts that make him pale in comparison. I'm saying that Americans focus and really stupid shit and forgive them for the normal guy getting screwed every day. It has to be a tag-line for anybody to give a shit. But you know, if you are against socialism than you should love Pharma Bro because that is your wet dream right there. More crackers please.

 

[captainmorgan]

More nonsense from DaFeces

 

[UncleBuck]

People who know have known this for decades but it's still odd to see the speaking points presented and people doing their parts. Like those youtube videos where all the newscasters read from the same script.

So ya, it's freaking insane to let health care prices be left up to any company. And every single one of you motherfckers agree with that. Unless you believe that a woman in labor with no money should be denied a safe hospital delivery, you agree with it, just haven't realized it yet.

And this lie that Americans have bought and actually be proud of is also nuts, that we are giving the world a sliding scale or there would be no money for research, well if you believe that, seriously go bury your head in sand and don't come up.

My real question is why the Pharma Dude? What was it that Americans were like, "Well that's crossing the line!" For a fcking rare drug that means fck for all? Americans get fcked up the arse and jizz on crackers about the sacrificial lamb.

You just got two likes from two trumptards

Right wing freak

 

[abandonconflict]

People who know have known this for decades but it's still odd to see the speaking points presented and people doing their parts. Like those youtube videos where all the newscasters read from the same script.

So ya, it's freaking insane to let health care prices be left up to any company. And every single one of you motherfckers agree with that. Unless you believe that a woman in labor with no money should be denied a safe hospital delivery, you agree with it, just haven't realized it yet.

And this lie that Americans have bought and actually be proud of is also nuts, that we are giving the world a sliding scale or there would be no money for research, well if you believe that, seriously go bury your head in sand and don't come up.

My real question is why the Pharma Dude? What was it that Americans were like, "Well that's crossing the line!" For a fcking rare drug that means fck for all? Americans get fcked up the arse and jizz on crackers about the sacrificial lamb.

We don't speak Russian.

 

[ttystikk]

Maybe you don't see other candidates doing it because it's a bad idea.

Canada is so much smaller population wise. Our system isn't equipped to supply Americans with cheap drugs. When Americans go to Canada to buy cheap insulin, it creates shortages of insulin in Canada.

If Bernie cares about helping Americans as you say, is he prepared to do at the expense of Canadian's?

Most pharmacists are reporting that drug shortages have increased in the last 3-5 years, with the vast majority (79%) indicating that shortages have ‘greatly increased,’ according to a newly released survey by the Canadian Pharmacists Association (CPhA).
https://www.pharmacists.ca/news-events/news/drug-shortages-have-greatly-increased-over-the-past-3-5-years-say-canadian-pharmacists/?lang=en

Canadian pharmacists report rise in drug shortages causing 'patient confusion and distress'
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canadian-pharmacists-report-rise-in-drug-shortages-causing-patient-confusion-and-distress-1.4525119

Exclusive: Canada warns U.S. against drug import plans, citing shortage concerns
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-pharmaceuticals-exports-exclus/exclusive-canada-warns-us-against-drug-import-plans-citing-shortage-concerns-idUSKCN1UD2LN

https://www.narcity.com/news/ca/canada-drug-shortages-are-on-the-rise-and-america-may-be-to-blame

Stupidest excuse I've ever heard; 'our market is bigger so we have to charge more'. Ignores economies of scale and the fact that the huge price increases have all happened in just the last few years with absolutely no connection to any cost increases of production it inputs.

What are you, a drug company shill- it you don't care if diabetics die?

You really should listen to yourself sometime.

For shame...

 

[ttystikk]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/07/people-are-dying-bernie-sanders-heads-to-canada-with-an-insulin-caravan.html

Y'all are defending a system of criminals extorting money from the sick- and you think you have any morality at all?

 

[Budley Doright]

Stupidest excuse I've ever heard; 'our market is bigger so we have to charge more'. Ignores economies of scale and the fact that the huge price increases have all happened in just the last few years with absolutely no connection to any cost increases of production it inputs.

What are you, a drug company shill- it you don't care if diabetics die?

You really should listen to yourself sometime.

For shame...

Where did he say anything about the market share causing higher prices? All I read was a shortage due to undersupply here. Where did he say he didn’t care about diabetics? You seemed to have added your own narrative while quoting, a pattern you use a lot ....... sad.

 

[DaFreak]

You just got two likes from two trumptards

Right wing freak

See the problem with a few of you is that you have an unhealthy view of the world and you pick “sides” you believe I’m right wing because I believe a few things you don’t agree with. In reality I have always voted Democrat or independent, always been for universal health care, high wages and everything else normal intelligent people would consider a left position. What’s more I also put my money where my mouth is (unlike most Democrats in America who are outdone bigly when it comes to charitable contributions by Republicans) and I own homeless shelters and literally help house thousands of people. Now I have no problem if a few right wing people like my post, much of the world we actually get along. I do have a problem with what I see from you and some others who start with the insults the second you don’t like somebody’s opinion and even calling people pedophiles when you know they are not. I don’t see you as “left” though, I see you just as grown men not acting anywhere near their age on a pot board.

 

[DaFreak]

Where did he say anything about the market share causing higher prices? All I read was a shortage due to undersupply here. Where did he say he didn’t care about diabetics? You seemed to have added your own narrative while quoting, a pattern you use a lot ....... sad.

He? I’m talking about the reasoning big pharma gives for overcharging Americans, mainly that we are subsidizing the world.

 

[hanimmal]

Stupidest excuse I've ever heard; 'our market is bigger so we have to charge more'. Ignores economies of scale and the fact that the huge price increases have all happened in just the last few years with absolutely no connection to any cost increases of production it inputs.

What are you, a drug company shill- it you don't care if diabetics die?

You really should listen to yourself sometime.

For shame...

If you need to expand your production, it usually takes new factories, machines, people, taxes, on and on. The economies of scale only kicks in after all that is paid off.

 

[DaFreak]

Sure, but you do realize that there are drug companies the world over and they make profits as well, just not the unethical ones the American ones make. They are happy to charge more in America as well though, because we invite them to.

 

[hanimmal]

Sure, but you do realize that there are drug companies the world over and they make profits as well, just not the unethical ones the American ones make. They are happy to charge more in America as well though, because we invite them to.

And those other countries don't do research, its easy after our companies do all the heavy lifting.

 

[hanimmal]

Our country has 3 groups trying to compete for the profits right now. Insurance companies, Medical entities (Doctors, nurses, janitors, etc), and the Public. The public buys insurance (if they can afford it/have Obamacare/Medicaid/care) or they buy directly from the Medical entities (Emergency room visits/co-pays). Ideally Insurance companies would find ways to decrease costs that don't hamper the care people get like better preventative maintenance. Hospitals/Drug companies would still innovate as well as provide care. And the people would hold insurance companies accountable by knowing what they are getting and picking the very best companies. But we don't, and so companies can get away with overcharging us.

This doesn't mean we should scrap the way it works and hope whatever plan works for the best. We just need to step up and start getting smarter about what we ask for as a society.

 

[Rob Roy]

It doesn't matter if it is a good idea or a bad idea, it is never going to make it because any platform with this will likely lose the house and senate.


No way, Cannabis was regulated in an attempt to make the product illegal, driving up prices since there was a risk that added to the cost.

Medical treatment is (generally because if I don't say that you will hit me with something like stem cells or some other technicality I am guessing) not being suppressed, so the costs would not necessarily decrease if government stepped aside.

If the government stepped aside, there would be no barrier to people entering the market and making and selling insulin would there? (the answer is no, there wouldn't be)

What would happen to prices if something was subject to the "natural" order of supply and demand in a truly free market? The answer is prices would situate at their natural price point in a given area....which would be substantially lower than they are now where they are buoyed up by government enforced monopolies being held by pharma etc.

 

[Rob Roy]

And those other countries don't do research, its easy after our companies do all the heavy lifting.

Oh sure those Neanderthals are warm now after those Homo Erectus did all the heavy lifting and tamed fire!

 

[Rob Roy]

If Bernie cared, he would've bought that insulin for those people out of his own pocket, he has enough money.

If Bernie cared he would be in favor of dropping government protectionism which would result in price drops and people wouldn't have to go to Canada to buy insulin, they could walk across the street and get it at a Convenience Store.

It's not that Bernie doesn't care, he doesn't KNOW. He's a certified economic imbecile.

 

[TacoMac]

I hate to play Devil's advocate here, but DaFreak has a valid point.

We turn a blind eye to big pharma on a daily basis. We have become numb to the fact that 30% of all commercials on TV are from big pharma followed immediately by 30% more commercials from law firms suing them.

Yet we were outraged at Shkreli and what he did to the point he was investigated add nauseum and railroaded out of the industry and into prison.

Why?

Well, it's simple really: Shkreli didn't play ball.

Big Pharma does it right. They spend millions upon millions of dollars on greasing politicians to never do anything. Sure, they all talk about outrageous prices, they talk about a lot of things, yet for all the talk not one single piece of legislation gets even submitted, let alone passed into law.

Because they're paid by big pharma not to...which again goes back to Bernie: if he's suddenly so outraged, and suddenly so against big pharma, why has he in DECADES of being in Washington never once submitted any legislation to relieve it?

Because he's paid not too just like everybody else.

But Shkreli got stupid. He assumed that since big pharma was doing it that he could do it too. He really, really fucked up though because he didn't pay to play.

Shkreli isn't an example of the government looking out for the people. Shkreli was an example to others that if you're going to fuck over the American people, you'd better pay us first.

That is the lesson of that entire episode. So, yeah. DaFreak, much as we may hate to admit it, makes a very valid point.

 

[DaFreak]

And those other countries don't do research, its easy after our companies do all the heavy lifting.

One of my friends is a lead on a research team that develops drugs in one of those countries so I can assure you that you are incorrect and buying into the lie. The world has changed

 

[abandonconflict]

The biggest profiteer in the diabetes industry is Big Sugar, the same interest that drove a large portion of the Atlantic slave trade and funded studies to blame fat for metabolic disorders. Sugar is still subsidized in the US.

 

[Herb & Suds]

See the problem with a few of you is that you have an unhealthy view of the world and you pick “sides” you believe I’m right wing because I believe a few things you don’t agree with. In reality I have always voted Democrat or independent, always been for universal health care, high wages and everything else normal intelligent people would consider a left position. What’s more I also put my money where my mouth is (unlike most Democrats in America who are outdone bigly when it comes to charitable contributions by Republicans) and I own homeless shelters and literally help house thousands of people. Now I have no problem if a few right wing people like my post, much of the world we actually get along. I do have a problem with what I see from you and some others who start with the insults the second you don’t like somebody’s opinion and even calling people pedophiles when you know they are not. I don’t see you as “left” though, I see you just as grown men not acting anywhere near their age on a pot board.

You are every Americans hero
Do you feel purdy now?