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loop718

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Microbes can do it, the acids from feeds can do it, over watering can do it, Herc and Oly should bring them up.
Cool i fed them all at 6.5 i gave them a lot of Herc and a lot of Oly hopefully that will buffer out. Id say this is officially week 1 of flower. Prolly not a good time to start BK until the slurries are better? I finally get my ppm in range and my ph drops. Do you feed to 100% saturation? I think im going to cut back to 75% and see how that goes.
 

IrieRoots

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Cool i fed them all at 6.5 i gave them a lot of Herc and a lot of Oly hopefully that will buffer out. Id say this is officially week 1 of flower. Prolly not a good time to start BK until the slurries are better? I finally get my ppm in range and my ph drops. Do you feed to 100% saturation? I think im going to cut back to 75% and see how that goes.
75% will be good for correcting that low ph, parks the Herc&Oly in the middle of the rootball, but eventually need to get back to little heavier, to saturate and continue to drive salts and acids deeper in the pot. Plus once in full flower its important to maintain moisture levels in the rootzone because too dry can cause all kinds of issues.......over watering too, its fine line And everyone's grow is a little different.
And don't sweat BK yet, your plants are taking up everything and then some, so until you are ramping to 1600+ feeds and 60 - 90 ml of HERC its kind of a non issue....this is where BK can be your best friend!! Im roughly week 3/4ish now and havnt used BK yet but will prolly start this coming week if numbers allow. I just came off a tea day followed then by a 1500 ppm feed, gonna load it up one more time in 1500's then start introducing BK in feeds as I'm at 45 ml Herc now and will be at 60 ml very soon!! And even though I'm gonna be at 60 ml Herc, I will only introduce BK at 5 ml to start(1/2 strength) .
 

loop718

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75% will be good for correcting that low ph, parks the Herc&Oly in the middle of the rootball, but eventually need to get back to little heavier, to saturate and continue to drive salts and acids deeper in the pot. Plus once in full flower its important to maintain moisture levels in the rootzone because too dry can cause all kinds of issues.......over watering too, its fine line And everyone's grow is a little different.
And don't sweat BK yet, your plants are taking up everything and then some, so until you are ramping to 1600+ feeds and 60 - 90 ml of HERC its kind of a non issue....this is where BK can be your best friend!! Im roughly week 3/4ish now and havnt used BK yet but will prolly start this coming week if numbers allow. I just came off a tea day followed then by a 1500 ppm feed, gonna load it up one more time in 1500's then start introducing BK in feeds as I'm at 45 ml Herc now and will be at 60 ml very soon!! And even though I'm gonna be at 60 ml Herc, I will only introduce BK at 5 ml to start(1/2 strength) .
Ya i think I'm overwatering stems are weak on a couple of the yellowing plants. They look way better today after the strong feed at 6.5.
 

loop718

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Guys idk what i did or where i went wrong but my slurry ph keeps dropping im down to 5.7 on half the room ive been feeding at 6.5... im going to flush them at 7.0 with herc. Then continue feeding 6.5... hope i can get them back in line. Anybody else have this problem before? Seems they dont want to come back up in range.
 

IrieRoots

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Guys idk what i did or where i went wrong but my slurry ph keeps dropping im down to 5.7 on half the room ive been feeding at 6.5... im going to flush them at 7.0 with herc. Then continue feeding 6.5... hope i can get them back in line. Anybody else have this problem before? Seems they dont want to come back up in range.
Need to Herc 7.0 as many times as it takes to stabilize it, as your soil ph drops the ppms will go up because the plant isn't taking them up so don't think about your next feed yet. I've been there, we all have......something got off balance somewhere and needs a reset!!
 

loop718

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Need to Herc 7.0 as many times as it takes to stabilize it, as your soil ph drops the ppms will go up because the plant isn't taking them up so don't think about your next feed yet. I've been there, we all have......something got off balance somewhere and needs a reset!!
Ya but there still eating i dont get it. Slurrys were 400 6.0 i fed them 1400 6.5 and there ph today is 5.7-6.1 300-500ppms. I just fed them a shit load of herc and oly up the water looks like milk at 7.0ph and 1tbs of gaia.
 

loop718

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Maybe top dress some limestone? Im also thinking im not stirring enough because im filling the bucket almost to the top?
 

loop718

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How much oly do you guys use per gallon? I have been using 5ml/gallon on this flush i gave em 60ml of herc and 20ml of oly up. Im going to be giving them more oly in the feeds isnt that the soil buffer?
 

bubba73

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How much oly do you guys use per gallon? I have been using 5ml/gallon on this flush i gave em 60ml of herc and 20ml of oly up. Im going to be giving them more oly in the feeds isnt that the soil buffer?
your using 20 ml oly up per gallon ? I never measure oly up I just add till I get the ph I want ... but I know I dont use that much ... so , how wet is the soil ? and is that ph pen in check ? how bad are these plants ? ph that low is a start of root issues ... you should by now be in a watering habit and now how much there using ... is there any runoff ? and how much ? depending how wet the soil is or dry , good thing you got some foliar experience mite need to use it till we get this straighten out ......
 

IrieRoots

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What do the plants look like, are they showing any negative signs
I don't know why this got double posted??........
anyways, I don't measure oly, just use it till my ph is correct in the feed. A way to use more is to drop starting water with Hades down to 4.5ish and then add HERC & Oly to ph needed. I don't use any microbes or SLF at first either when trying to correct soil ph. And like bubba mentioned, at this point you should have an idea of how much feed water they take and how often......consistency is key when building and ramping up metabolism through bloom.
Like for me, I'm a steady every other day at lights ON feed, 4 gallons feed for (6) 5 gals......that's a little more than 1/2 gallon each, and recently I pushed it a day longer to see what I can get away with because I just added a TopD & straw mulch which can maintain moisture a bit longer, plus I wanted to see if feeds needed adjusting because of the topD. I Will have more feedback once I slurry later this week but they are all praying hard so will continue to read the plants and feed every other day. I havnt had to Herc flush or reset or maintenance flush on this run at all, but this comes from knowing the line and feeding according to slurry #s and not just running down the feed chart.
IMO the feed feed tea feed feed flush is for growers with a heavy hand on the nutes, which most New growers do, so the flushes and constant teas help to get growers new to the line through a full cycle with relative success. If feeding too light or by the slurry #s, the FFTFFF doesn't work and can cause any number of issues to show up. My two cents anyways......
 

loop718

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your using 20 ml oly up per gallon ? I never measure oly up I just add till I get the ph I want ... but I know I dont use that much ... so , how wet is the soil ? and is that ph pen in check ? how bad are these plants ? ph that low is a start of root issues ... you should by now be in a watering habit and now how much there using ... is there any runoff ? and how much ? depending how wet the soil is or dry , good thing you got some foliar experience mite need to use it till we get this straighten out ......
No i used 20ml just for this flush to get some limestone in the soil. I have been using 5ml all the way up till now. I have been feeding every other day when the top of the soil gets crusty. I feed 7 gal pots 3/4 a gallon of feed never any run off. All my slurries up until recent have been 6.6 - 6.8 i just flipped and wanted to see my slurries so i can introduce bk and my ph are bad. My plants look ok except 2 are starting to yellow. I have blue labs ppm i cleaned it and calibrated it the day my ph slurries were low. Idk what happend. Everything was coming around then out of no where my ph dropped to 6.2 then 6.0 now a couple of them are 5.7. Idk man my feed schedule seemed like it was working. Maybe over watering if anyting but i dont think so.
 

loop718

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Just wanna say how cool of a dude the beard is!! Hes researching my R/O system because it remineralizes the water for alkalinity hes making sure theres not weird chemistry going on with it. Thats going the extra mile for your customers.
 
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