US vs EU Grow Styles

[carlo987]

Hi Y'all,
Having been around growers most of my life in US and EU, I saw growers in the US growing perpetually, always going for big plants with long veg periods, whilst EU, predominantly Dutch growers, would let the clone root and put it directly into bloom in a SOG setting.
I mostly know the latter myself and have run the numbers myself many times and the result is always the same. The Dutch method wins: With the right strain up to 8 harvests a year, where only 40g/ft2 are expected and everything on top of that is a bonus. Clearly, very limited and very expensive square footage influenced this growing style. But if one were to calculate yield/ft2/time, the no veg SOG always wins.
I bring up this argument with my Dutch buddy every two years or so. We're planning an outdoor grow and he wants to go with indica automatics, so we can have two harvests during the summer, but I actually can't stand christmas trees and am always amazed to see those 16 pounders from the US. He is arguing that little plants are easier to take care of and the impact associated with loosing a big plant is more severe as the time and money invested in growing it is concentrated in one plant instead of being spread out to multiple plants, thus lowering the risk.
With the power of the crowd, let us settle this once and for all...
Or at least make Dutch growers understand the method in the (as they see it) madness.
Also because I really don't want to see those stupid christmas trees....

Why perpetual grow?
What are the benefits of running a commercial operation like that?
Why go big with outdoor plants?

 

[doublejj]

Hi Y'all,
Having been around growers most of my life in US and EU, I saw growers in the US growing perpetually, always going for big plants with long veg periods, whilst EU, predominantly Dutch growers, would let the clone root and put it directly into bloom in a SOG setting.
I mostly know the latter myself and have run the numbers myself many times and the result is always the same. The Dutch method wins: With the right strain up to 8 harvests a year, where only 40g/ft2 are expected and everything on top of that is a bonus. Clearly, very limited and very expensive square footage influenced this growing style. But if one were to calculate yield/ft2/time, the no veg SOG always wins.
I bring up this argument with my Dutch buddy every two years or so. We're planning an outdoor grow and he wants to go with indica automatics, so we can have two harvests during the summer, but I actually can't stand christmas trees and am always amazed to see those 16 pounders from the US. He is arguing that little plants are easier to take care of and the impact associated with loosing a big plant is more severe as the time and money invested in growing it is concentrated in one plant instead of being spread out to multiple plants, thus lowering the risk.
With the power of the crowd, let us settle this once and for all...
Or at least make Dutch growers understand the method in the (as they see it) madness.
Also because I really don't want to see those stupid christmas trees....

Why perpetual grow?
What are the benefits of running a commercial operation like that?
Why go big with outdoor plants?

Pot is not officially legal in US at the federal (national) level. Some states have bucked the federal government and have made their own laws regarding pot. Most of those laws are based on the number of plants. Too many plants will bring on the feds even if you are legal with local (state) laws. So the safest move is to grow fewer but bigger plants....

 

[curious2garden]

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With the power of the crowd, let us settle this once and for all...
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Different constraints require different grow methods. Both work and there is no right or wrong here. You leverage your assets and grow based on your ultimate objective and the resources you have to work with.

 

[IIReignManII]

Depends if you're growing to just turn a profit on average weed like the Dutch do, or if you're trying to grow truly exceptional top shelf cannabis.

 

[carlo987]

Pot is not officially legal in US at the federal (national) level. Some states have bucked the federal government and have made their own laws regarding pot. Most of those laws are based on the number of plants. Too many plants will bring on the feds even if you are legal with local (state) laws. So the safest move is to grow fewer but bigger plants....
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[carlo987]

Depends if you're growing to just turn a profit on average weed like the Dutch do, or if you're trying to grow truly exceptional top shelf cannabis.

Generally any illegal operation is built on producing a good enough product for as low as possible. That wasn't any different in the States, when it was illegal. With the exeption of some amazing homegrown. But not bashing or being passive aggressive... In the 90s and early 2000s I had way worse weed in the US, than I ever had in Europe. I will admit, that you guys have absolutely taken over the sceptre and are being innovative AF.
In the Netherlands there were coffee shops, but nobody was allowed to have more than 500g at any given time, so there was never anybody, that could legally supply coffee shops. It just continuosly magically reappeared.

 

[growingforfun]

I think many of us in the us are moving to a middle ground between the two.

For myself at least this is true. I have a very small veg area using 315 watts, I take around 16 clones at a time and flower in 5 gallon containers around 3 every 3 weeks. I put plants in the same day I harvest. In many ways more plants would just mean more work or I would need a larger veg area. Keeping my plants in veg to 3 sizes allows more plants overall while still getting them to a medium size before flower.

Edit, flower area is 5x10 2kw. Can open another 5x5 without impacting my veg area or style.

 

[snoeman032]

Pot is not officially legal in US at the federal (national) level. Some states have bucked the federal government and have made their own laws regarding pot. Most of those laws are based on the number of plants. Too many plants will bring on the feds even if you are legal with local (state) laws. So the safest move is to grow fewer but bigger plants....
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[Lucky Luke]

Depends if you're growing to just turn a profit on average weed like the Dutch do, or if you're trying to grow truly exceptional top shelf cannabis.

People who grow for a profit, grow to turn a profit. The higher the risk the bigger the profit.
I wouldn't call the Dutch grown cannabis Avg. Lets face it most of what the guys work with today came from guys working lines in Holland. Eg here is Nevil. 90% plus of strains available today can be traced to what he did in Holland and those strains came from Asia, America, Australia and everywhere he could get to. Breeders are just reworking the same strains in a different sequence. Cannot do that forever can we?
America has got some fantastic work being done, particular with breeding but the lines don't seem to be as stable as what the Dutch have been doing for a long, long time. Is that due to chasing what is the next "Hype" strain?? And then there is Israel and the work being done there..


But in answer to the OP. SOG is very popular all over the world. Its the best yielding way to grow if ur inside. Plant count where applicable like JJ said plays a large part as well for legal/semi legal growers.
Not that long ago large plants were shunned due to helicopters in what are now legal states and that's still true today in Australia.

On another note I much prefer the European trim over the American style.

 

[Dr. Who]

Hi Y'all,
Having been around growers most of my life in US and EU, I saw growers in the US growing perpetually, always going for big plants with long veg periods, whilst EU, predominantly Dutch growers, would let the clone root and put it directly into bloom in a SOG setting.
I mostly know the latter myself and have run the numbers myself many times and the result is always the same. The Dutch method wins: With the right strain up to 8 harvests a year, where only 40g/ft2 are expected and everything on top of that is a bonus. Clearly, very limited and very expensive square footage influenced this growing style. But if one were to calculate yield/ft2/time, the no veg SOG always wins.
I bring up this argument with my Dutch buddy every two years or so. We're planning an outdoor grow and he wants to go with indica automatics, so we can have two harvests during the summer, but I actually can't stand christmas trees and am always amazed to see those 16 pounders from the US. He is arguing that little plants are easier to take care of and the impact associated with loosing a big plant is more severe as the time and money invested in growing it is concentrated in one plant instead of being spread out to multiple plants, thus lowering the risk.
With the power of the crowd, let us settle this once and for all...
Or at least make Dutch growers understand the method in the (as they see it) madness.
Also because I really don't want to see those stupid christmas trees....

Why perpetual grow?
What are the benefits of running a commercial operation like that?
Why go big with outdoor plants?

Simple answer is number of plant limits!

Personally, I would rather be doing SOG but, can't due to legal number limits...

 

[carlo987]

That seems to sum it up... Although I was hoping for a different answer, something that would make sense in a commercial setting, where there are no plant limits. Because we have no limits with the licenses here in Africa.