Trump's answer to gun control

Jimdamick

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And that is to continue to suck NRA dick

As the White House looks for ways to fight gun violence that is plaguing the nation , Trump has looked at Indiana as one potential model in addressing mental illness and the increase in mass shootings under his administration, and that is to open more insane asylums

The state opened a new 159-bed psychiatric hospital in March, Indiana's first in more than 50 years. The hospital is focused on treating patients with the most challenging psychiatric illnesses and then moving them into treatment settings within the community or state mental health system.

Can u believe that this is an actual response?

Paul Gionfriddo, president and chief executive of the advocacy group Mental Health America, said Trump is pursuing a 19th century solution to a 21st century problem.

"Anybody with any sense of history understands they were a complete failure. They were money down the drain," said Gionfriddo.

The number of state hospital beds that serve the nation's most seriously ill patients has fallen from more than 550,000 in the 1950s to fewer than 38,000 in the first half of 2016, according to a survey from the Treatment Advocacy Center, which seeks policies to overcome barriers to treatment.

I live right across from Connecticut's former largest mental health asylum, Fairfield Hills in Newtown, where 30 years ago they literally opened the gates and pushed the inhabitants into the street.
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I personally watched men and women pushing shopping carts up the street with all they had in their world, into extinction. I'll never fucking forget it.

That is his solution?

To open more institutions?

Instead of taking the guns off of the fucking streets?

I'm sooo mad now , that anything I say would could be construed as a threat of violence against the POTUS, so I'll shut the fuck up.
Peace out :)
 
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gonnagro

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And that is to continue to suck NRA dick

As the White House looks for ways to fight gun violence that is plaguing the nation , Trump has looked at Indiana as one potential model in addressing mental illness and the increase in mass shootings under his administration, and that is to open more insane asylums

The state opened a new 159-bed psychiatric hospital in March, Indiana's first in more than 50 years. The hospital is focused on treating patients with the most challenging psychiatric illnesses and then moving them into treatment settings within the community or state mental health system.

Can u believe that this is an actual response?

Paul Gionfriddo, president and chief executive of the advocacy group Mental Health America, said Trump is pursuing a 19th century solution to a 21st century problem.

"Anybody with any sense of history understands they were a complete failure. They were money down the drain," said Gionfriddo.

The number of state hospital beds that serve the nation's most seriously ill patients has fallen from more than 550,000 in the 1950s to fewer than 38,000 in the first half of 2016, according to a survey from the Treatment Advocacy Center, which seeks policies to overcome barriers to treatment.

I live right across from Connecticut's former largest mental health asylum, Fairfield Hills in Newtown, where 30 years ago they literally opened the gates and pushed the inhabitants into the street.
.
I personally watched men and women pushing shopping carts up the street with all they had in their world, into extinction. I'll never fucking forget it.

That is his solution?

To open more institutions?

Instead of taking the guns off of the fucking streets?

I'm sooo mad now , that anything I say would could be construed as a threat of violence against the POTUS, so I'll shut the fuck up.
Peace out :)
Yea, because taking guns is the wrong solution. Duh . . .
 

hotrodharley

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“Two disturbing trend lines are currently crossing in the area of mental health care. One line, tracking demand for such care, is rapidly rising. In the U.S., nearly 1 in 5 people has some sort of mental health condition, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association. The disease burden – the impact of a health problem as measured by financial cost, death rates, disability and other measures – of mental health and substance use disorders was higher than for any other condition in 2015, JAMA reported.

The other trend line, measuring the number of mental health care providers in practice, is barely holding steady. A 2016 report released by the Health Resources and Services Administration projected the supply of workers in selected behavioral health professions to be approximately 250,000 workers short of the projected demand in 2025. And the Review of Physician and Advanced Practitioner Recruiting Incentives, a 2017 report from the physician search firm Merritt Hawkins, states that, "The shortage of psychiatrists is an escalating crisis … of more severity than shortages faced in virtually any other specialty."”

This is my area of expertise. Medical care. Let me assure you there’s not adequate numbers of psychiatrists, psychologists or any other professionals dealing with mental illness and mental health. Period. They’re rare and they’re centered in the largest municipal areas. This is a very safe approach for Trump as there’s no need to fund something that can’t exist.

https://health.usnews.com/health-care/patient-advice/articles/2018-05-25/whats-the-answer-to-the-shortage-of-mental-health-care-providers

He’ll have zero plans to address any of this. But it buys him time to dog paddle around looking for a place to get out of the water.
 

hotrodharley

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“The United States is suffering from a dramatic shortage of psychiatrists and other mental health providers. And the shortfall is particularly dire in rural regions, many urban neighborhoods, and community mental health centers that often treat the most severe mental illnesses.

“The shortage of psychiatrists is an escalating crisis,” notes the physician search firm Merritt Hawkins in a 2017 report. “[The gap is] of more severity than shortages faced in virtually any other specialty.””

You can hear him now. Alarmed at this situation. Of course he’ll have a plan.

https://news.aamc.org/patient-care/article/addressing-escalating-psychiatrist-shortage/
 

hotrodharley

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“Rural Mental Health Professionals' Perspectives on Workforce Issues" found that 95 percent of mental health professionals in rural communities who were surveyed reported that they are not able to meet mental health needs of people in their communities, while 90 percent said was difficult to recruit and retain qualified professionals.

The study found the main reasons why rural counties were not able to hire qualified mental health professionals were an inability to pay competitive wages or to provide professional development opportunities.”
 

Jimdamick

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To rely on mental health professionals to curtail gun violence/mass murders is as insane as the perpetrators.
Take the guns away, at the very least any AR or AK with extended magazines.
Start there.
 

The Gram Reaper

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“Rural Mental Health Professionals' Perspectives on Workforce Issues" found that 95 percent of mental health professionals in rural communities who were surveyed reported that they are not able to meet mental health needs of people in their communities, while 90 percent said was difficult to recruit and retain qualified professionals.

The study found the main reasons why rural counties were not able to hire qualified mental health professionals were an inability to pay competitive wages or to provide professional development opportunities.”
All community mental health does is offer meds. Nothing else. Just meds. The psychiatrist just figures out meds, doesn't try to find the root of any problem or offer an counseling or any kind of treatment program. They just load you down with meds and you come back a month later and tell them how it affected you.
 

UncleBuck

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All community mental health does is offer meds. Nothing else. Just meds. The psychiatrist just figures out meds, doesn't try to find the root of any problem or offer an counseling or any kind of treatment program. They just load you down with meds and you come back a month later and tell them how it affected you.
This is not accurate
 

hotrodharley

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All community mental health does is offer meds. Nothing else. Just meds. The psychiatrist just figures out meds, doesn't try to find the root of any problem or offer an counseling or any kind of treatment program. They just load you down with meds and you come back a month later and tell them how it affected you.
Hey it’s better than nothing I’ll guarantee you. It’s goddamned sure better than what we offer or do now.
 

Jimdamick

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I've been dealing with shrinks for 40+ years, and 95% don't know shit, just talk shit and prescribe meds and collect their payments.
I was diagnosed bi-polar at 23 and it took 20 years for them to figure out the meds that would work, so too imagine that the mental health profession is a cure for gun violence is a fucking pipe dream.
I had no problem at all obtaining weapons, any type that I chose.
Should I be armed?
Maybe not, but my point is that relying on a Dr. to stop murderous activity is a fucking joke.
 

Budley Doright

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The wait time here for an adolescent to even see a mental health specialist is 6 months to a year after a referral and that’s in a non rural setting. More care facilities is a good thing but in no way will curb the issue of gun violence IMO. I also saw the period of closing facilities and dumping patients on the streets and it was horrible, with most living on the streets and very little support, all for the sake of money savings. When will people realize that it’s a numbers game, more guns = more gun violence, it’s really a no brainer. The gun lobby uses defence and rights to hoodwink the people and yup it’s all about money. Electronic safeties on hand guns, mandatory registration of all guns, banning of assault weapons in a smart way, a semi automatic hunting rifle is not an assault weapon BTW, these are just a start. Giving a two year sentence for pot possession and no sentence for illegal handgun possession is ludicrous and backwards. It seems there is a merry go round of debate and not a fucking thing gets done. It effects my country as well, most handguns are brought over the border from the States to be used in crime and nothing else.
 

blu3bird

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All community mental health does is offer meds. Nothing else. Just meds. The psychiatrist just figures out meds, doesn't try to find the root of any problem or offer an counseling or any kind of treatment program. They just load you down with meds and you come back a month later and tell them how it affected you.
I kind of agree with you on this. I have a buddy diagnosed with schizophrenia and when he has one of his episodes and ends up at the community mental health hospital, all they do is dope him up with Haldiol and cut him loose into society while he's still tripping out. It's crazy.

I know this because his family has authorized me as one of the people he can be released to, and he always calls me to pick him up from the mental health hospital.

Those doctors don't care, that's all they do is dope my buddy up with nasty drugs, they don't put any effort into finding out why or what could prevent another episode.
 

TacoMac

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relying on a Dr. to stop murderous activity is a fucking joke.
That's it in a nutshell.

It's passing the buck. It's blaming everything except the source: assault weapons/weapons with 20 round plus clips.

During the assault rifle ban, mass shootings dropped 78% virtually overnight. It worked. Massively.
 

Budley Doright

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All community mental health does is offer meds. Nothing else. Just meds. The psychiatrist just figures out meds, doesn't try to find the root of any problem or offer an counseling or any kind of treatment program. They just load you down with meds and you come back a month later and tell them how it affected you.
I would like to think that is not the case but given the workload they have here there are the choice between meds and a far worse outcome...:(. I have a friend who must report weekly to an outpatient clinic only to ensure she is taking her meds, if she doesn’t show they issue a detain order. This is done due to her self harm issues. But yup that has nothing to do with gun violence and trying to link the two is not helping either issue.
 

Jimdamick

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That's it in a nutshell.

It's passing the buck. It's blaming everything except the source: assault weapons/weapons with 20 round plus clips.

During the assault rifle ban, mass shootings dropped 78% virtually overnight. It worked. Massively.
And that prick La Pierre is directly responsible for ALL the shootings using assault type weapons since the ban was lifted, along with those that voted yea.
Everyone in Congress that voted to lift the ban, those are the ones with blood on they're hands
 

Budley Doright

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And that prick La Pierre is directly responsible for ALL the shootings using assault type weapons since the ban was lifted, along with those that voted yea.
Everyone in Congress that voted to lift the ban, those are the ones with blood on they're hands
And anyone who votes for them also has blood on their hands.
 
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