Why are my fan leaves so big after topping

Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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mustbetribbin said:
It was my understanding that are clones taken off from a plant already in flower could not be used in a perpetual grow because the flowering clones cut from them already have the mature hormones within them, is this wrong?

Isn't this the reason people start cloning to be able to perpetuate the source of medicine that they are growing? Not just to have more flowers, because the problem with that is if you cut clones from a plant already in flower, more time will be spent in limbo waiting for the plant to adjust, and produce a smaller plant overall compared to taking a more ideal vegative growth clone, and when plant count becomes an issue, small plants means smaller harvest, and no perpetual means less overall production, unless your continually germinating seeds instead.


If I'm wrong here I would like to be corrected, I'm just stating what is to my knowledge thus far, thank you.
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You are not wrong. The monster cropping lobby just wants to be right.
 
Rasta Roy

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Taken directly from an article about re-vegging/monster cropping

"Downsides to re-vegging cannabis after harvest

  • it can take a few weeks for a flowering plant to fully re-veg and start growing vigorously, and sometimes re-vegged plants just always grow slowly
  • initial growth is strange and stretchy
  • plant training is more difficult since you have to work with the "skeleton" of the old plant
  • yields are often lower the second time around"
 
hawse

hawse

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Just my own experience that's all... Your mileage may vary is something I should put in my sig... Of those four points mentioned above none of them have ever been an issue for me in three years of doing it...
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Rasta Roy said:
Taken directly from an article about re-vegging/monster cropping

"Downsides to re-vegging cannabis after harvest

  • it can take a few weeks for a flowering plant to fully re-veg and start growing vigorously, and sometimes re-vegged plants just always grow slowly
  • initial growth is strange and stretchy
  • plant training is more difficult since you have to work with the "skeleton" of the old plant
  • yields are often lower the second time around"
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I’ll argue the yield and concede some of the rest. If you are an inexperienced grower I’ll concede the possibility of the fourth. However those of us more experienced in growing know how to work the plant instead of the other way around. You have to understand the point of life cycle the plant was in, reverse it and go with it. Takes time yes. But it pays off or so many people wouldn’t be doing it.
 
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hotrodharley

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Not mine. From the web. But those of us who have actually grown them get similar results. Mind you this will be from a flowering clone untopped as it’s obviously unnecessary. Check the lowers compared to the canopy.
 
hawse

hawse

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Yes, lots of training needed sometimes, and yes you do miss that vigor you can get from certain seeds, but also I would add that, at least for me, I've had a lot better luck getting clones to take this way compared to vegging clones...
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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hotrodharley said:
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Not mine. From the web. But those of us who have actually grown them get similar results. Mind you this will be from a flowering clone untopped as it’s obviously unnecessary. Check the lowers compared to the canopy.
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That's the picture I got from the article that I keep mentioning. Right by the picture it says ""In the end this monstercropped plant yielded less than the other clones in the grow room."

I'm sure you have had much success my friend and I wish you more in the future.

I also have many years of experiencing working in this industry, trap style, medical, and commercial.

Anytime spent revegging, will always cost you time (and money in electricity) but not everytime will it increase your yield or create the desired results. And whether you're functioning on a commercial level, or just trying to squeeze some bud out of your basement to lighten your budget or cushion your income; that time with no guarantee isn't really something you can afford.

Now if you're financially stable, or not worried about that impact, it can be fun to mess around with monster cropping just to see how your different cultivars react. If you're a breeder it is important to do because it can tell you a lot about plant hardiness, cloneabilty, and the like.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Rasta Roy said:
That's the picture I got from the article that I keep mentioning. Right by the picture it says ""In the end this monstercropped plant yielded less than the other clones in the grow room."

I'm sure you have had much success my friend and I wish you more in the future.

I also have many years of experiencing working in this industry, trap style, medical, and commercial.

Anytime spent revegging, will always cost you time (and money in electricity) but not everytime will it increase your yield or create the desired results. And whether you're functioning on a commercial level, or just trying to squeeze some bud out of your basement to lighten your budget or cushion your income; that time with no guarantee isn't really something you can afford.

Now if you're financially stable, or not worried about that impact, it can be fun to mess around with monster cropping just to see how your different cultivars react. If you're a breeder it is important to do because it can tell you a lot about plant hardiness, cloneabilty, and the like.
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Well you just described most of the RIU members. Hobby growers. I don’t know a single commercial grower seeking information here. Most are willing to experiment and are not on an imposed deadline.
 
Chip Green

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My experience with "monster crop" clones was interesting.
The cloning itself was nothing out of the ordinary. Maybe took a day or two longer, but the roots came.
Then, they got Spina Bifida.
Weeks upon weeks, of bizzare, terrifying mutations. Which was expected, but shocking, none the less.
In the end, for ME, with the genetics I used, the plants flowered about as well as usual.
Not convinced one way or the other, based on one attempt.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Chip Green said:
My experience with "monster crop" clones was interesting.
The cloning itself was nothing out of the ordinary. Maybe took a day or two longer, but the roots came.
Then, they got Spina Bifida.
Weeks upon weeks, of bizzare, terrifying mutations. Which was expected, but shocking, none the less.
In the end, for ME, with the genetics I used, the plants flowered about as well as usual.
Not convinced one way or the other, based on one attempt.
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You MUST be Spartan in thinning and training. They need nitrogen very early. Also silica helps stem strength for the ones you leave. Lastly the longer you veg and let the roots fill a container the bigger the buds you’ll harvest. If you don’t thin aggressively you end up with a bowl of spaghetti and a lot of popcorn buds.
 
Kushash

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The Gram Reaper said:
The hobby grower is a true artist that never settles and is always looking to develop and make breakthroughs. The money is just a bonus to keep their craft going.
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Another bonus for the hobby grower who loves to smoke.
They get to smoke top shelf weed that they likely could not find anywhere else.

I like that term "Hobby Grower".
When the commercial industry gets big enough to lobby crushing the evil home growers.
Hopefully there will be a few million more Hobby Growers to deal with.
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Kushash said:
Another bonus for the hobby grower who loves to smoke.
They get to smoke top shelf weed that they likely could not find anywhere else.

I like that term "Hobby Grower".
When the commercial industry gets big enough to lobby crushing the evil home growers.
Hopefully there will be a few million more Hobby Growers to deal with.
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No matter how big the commercial industry gets as long as laws stay progressive there should always be room for home growers. Just like homemade beer and wine, there is that craftsmanship that comes from being able to do things in smaller batches so you can hyper focus in on what you're doing and you don't have to deal with all the extra problems that come up when you're doing things on a bigger scale.
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Rasta Roy said:
No matter how big the commercial industry gets as long as laws stay progressive there should always be room for home growers. Just like homemade beer and wine, there is that craftsmanship that comes from being able to do things in smaller batches so you can hyper focus in on what you're doing and you don't have to deal with all the extra problems that come up when you're doing things on a bigger scale.
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I totally agree. The level of craftsmanship and attention to detail along with treating every plant as an individual plays a large roll in quality something a large scale grower can't focus on.
In my lifetime I don't see corporations being a problem and do hope the laws stay progressive.
I would guess in the end it will depend on how much money the home growers are potentially costing the corporations that will determine the direction of the law IMO.

I would just see it as a sad thing if it went that way. Hopefully it doesn't.
I also imagine someday harmful chemicals will be added to the product to benefit the bottom line.
Maybe I'm just being pessimistic.
 
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