had a thought and thanks to loop for this .... when you do a feed feed tea and feed feed herc , on herc days if you can t add BK to it ? for people who are Leary of BK , and add it on herc days I would think it be safe ? I gotta read into it more , but why can't you use BK to finish ?
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IrieRoots
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I use BK in my first couple ripening flushes. I guess if you incorporate BK on a flush day in bloom its a non issue if numbers are on point.....but for me, when numbers are on point I either don't flush and just keep feeding and doing teas, or I will add Gaia & fullon to the Herc flush day. If I'm tracking slurries on a new strain I don't even pay attention to the FFTFFF recommendation, I use the numbers. IMO, that schedule is recommended to new growers who don't want to slurry and still run the line with decent results, FB is full of these growers. The fucked up thing with not taking slurries with a flush day, a TEA day, or feed BK day is you can crash your soil if its sitting at 6.4 200 and you don't know. Moral of the story, SLURRY TEST will tell you everything you need to know whether BK is safe.
I really hate that word flush .... no flush ..... for tea and herc feeds gotta feed on the heavy side so your #s dont drop below that line .. this is what I like about BK , I. won't start till mid veg plant mature enough , then ill hit with a heavy feed if im gonna BK foliar , then I mite do it twice a day but again you gotta be pushing hard on tea days no BK .. SLURRY looks good then feed then back to BK foliar .. if you think feeding now is bad ? do that and see how you gotta keep up with it..... I would only do this if I had 1 or 2 going .. it turns into a full time job with overtime.... you can use BK with a 200 ppm but you gotta know at what strength to use BK 1/8 , 1/4 , 1/2 , 3/4 FULL STRENGTH ....then with a cookie or kush strain you can't get to wild at all . then its either 1/4 strength once a week with foliar ( you gotta test and see ) same with root drench with cookie or kush ..... I never followed any of the feed schedule , the only thing I follow is the order of mixing .... I have a few of my own feed schedule and that can be tweaked ..... indica like this schedule , sativa likes it another way , autos like it a different way .. same thing with using different grow lights and different wattage ... me and wife have really broke it down pretty good... "welcome to the machine "
BunkerKing
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Hey everyone.
Figured id share this thread: https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/coco-newbie-struggling-with-building-roots.106553/
Getting the girls all dialed in. It looks like i was kind of right before.
Daily watering = Not really something you do with organic coco.
When the roots demand it sure, but not like a salt/coco grow. Where it gets 3+ feedings a day.
Where its more ideal to treat it like soil, that you just have more control over.
Plus better aeration.
Figured id share this thread: https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/coco-newbie-struggling-with-building-roots.106553/
Getting the girls all dialed in. It looks like i was kind of right before.
Daily watering = Not really something you do with organic coco.
When the roots demand it sure, but not like a salt/coco grow. Where it gets 3+ feedings a day.
Where its more ideal to treat it like soil, that you just have more control over.
Plus better aeration.
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IrieRoots
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I read through the link, a lot of good info about how to treat coco. I think your biggest issue you ran into with daily feeding was your plant size and your light......not enough photosynthetic energy to demand all that feed. You can totally build up to daily feeds in any media with nectar, but needs to be built up and dialed in to the environment. The SLF, teas & herc/Oly take care of any buildup......cyclical feeding can definitely be achieved. You have to take in to account that feed schedules are based on 1000W high intensity light in proper grow environments, so adjustments must be made to adapt to your set up and how the plant is metabolizing the feeds.
IrieRoots
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It helps keep the plant from stretching and wakes up a shit load of flower sites, while at the same time getting more calcium up into the plant. But I'm with you LOOP, I waited till weeks 4-7 to start using BK this last run and really like the result. I do reccommend Kelp foliars in late veg and through transition to halt stretching and wake up the dormant flower sites if not foliar spraying BK. I will say that the BK foliars will send the plant into overdrive, "the gas pedal", so all those new sites will develop fast enough through stretch that they become more prominent flower sites by the time the plant sets and starts to swell so that's prolly the best benefit and the foundation to boosting yields!!
whats the point of BK ? well , you have a indica plant that won't stretch much so you root drench to get the height and some times using LED you get some that have tight node spacing this is where root drench BK can help the stretch .... sativa are stretchers so you foliar spray BK , I used BK as a foliar 1st 2 weeks of flower to help to keep the stretch down then root drench thru flowering ... im still tweaking on how much BK can be pushed .. I already used soil right away from last finish that had BK in it with clones and seedlings and watch leafs taco and twist so I had to hit the herc .. here a pic at week 5 in flower , you tell me.....
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things happen pretty quick ...
thats the way it should be !!!! and as time goes own you will experiment , so never boring ...and we are here ....
BunkerKing
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Totally. Id like to upgrade light wise. Just gotta budget it. They are starting to grow quickly now. Can see daily progress again. But yah... idk how i spaced the lighting issue. Oh well, live and learn.
You think 600w would be good enough? Hoping so.
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IrieRoots
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Heck yeah......or a 315 or 630 cmh is badass too......I have a 400W in a 3x3 that crushes!! I also put one 100W 3000K HLG quantum board over one plant and it crushes!! The main thing is get the best you can afford and tailor your grow to that environment, everyone has a little different setup and what works for one grow may not be best for another due to environment(and many other perimeters).
BunkerKing
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Ah nice. Yah this ballast will be a perfectz backup setup in case the main one has issues.Stuff adds up quick. Vegging lights, inline fan, big box fan, main tent lights. So i really dont want to go that much bigger.
Flatrate
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So I am doing my second tea day tomorrow, and when I say second I mean as in ever. I looked around on what I should be doing, on Cultured Biologix site they have two feeding charts, both add Nectar to the tea mix. In a video on OCG they didn't mix in any Nectar just water and tea. How do you guys mix EZ Tea?
The first time I did mix some Herc in the water to lower the PH, then added the tea. Please sort me out on this, thanks!
The first time I did mix some Herc in the water to lower the PH, then added the tea. Please sort me out on this, thanks!
IrieRoots
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There has been 3 or 4 different cultured/nectar feed schedules since its creation, of which all work, I'm assuming the latest schedule on their site is most current and what they have found to be the best!! It kind of comes down to what you need on your tea day too, if fighting low ppm slurry your gonna want to use it more like a nutritive tea and add some bottles, if slurry good and just need for microbes then just mix EZ TEA in water and drench. I tend to use the add-on bottles like pegasus, kraken, Tritons and Persephone depending on stage. A safe way to go is 15-30 ml Herc ph'd and then mix EZ tea and drench. Also, I don't use any liquid microbial products with EZ TEAS or any other spore form powdered products.....so NO SLF, photoplus, EM1, etc...
your tea day should be just that ..or you can play with the other charts , now what nutrients you add with tea you can take out of your normal feed schedule , now your mixing and matching which is fun or you can keep it very basic ... with EZ tea I used slf , photo plus , fish shit , maxi microbe in the mix ..... or if you want you can do a "fish mix". ez tea fish shit , kraken and few other nectar ..... just for now use the KISS factor..... just mix EZ tea and drench ....I have the basic tea chart....there also another tea schedule and its pretty simple , "super soil feed " where you use one shot in soil and every "feed" is just tea ....
