HLG vs HGL Side By Side Take 2

[grilledcheese101]

Majority here do not veg long enough to even see the true plant response to the spectrums or lights they're using. Then right into flower. So many of these 2 oz plant growers never see full morphology or maturity. Its almost like bangin underage girls then talking about knowing what a woman wants. I just don't get it dude!
For you MongoFrog!

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So HLG tonight

I get what your saying but id still assume over 80 percent of the seed breeders you choose, DONT grow plants larger than 2 oz per, it just wouldnt make sense when looking for genetics. And if theyre choosing what youre gonna grow and litterally running 100s of 2 oz testers/mothers/pollinators. Thats the industry we live in. Your strains dont come from 700 gram plants thats fkn retarded.

 

[grilledcheese101]

So if you use both lights what happens? Lmao! cheers queers!

 

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[jarvild]

Majority here do not veg long enough to even see the true plant response to the spectrums or lights they're using. Then right into flower.

You do know that if your taking cuttings they are the same maturity as the mothers they where taken from, all you have to do is root them enough to fill the pot and viola, same plant as the mother.
Are you coming up with your own Bro Science now.

 

[hybridway2]

You do know that if your taking cuttings they are the same maturity as the mothers they where taken from, all you have to do is root them enough to fill the pot and viola, same plant as the mother.
Are you coming up with your own Bro Science now.

Lol! My point exactly.

 

[jarvild]

Lol! My point exactly.

Ok, this plant was vegged for 3 weeks, flowered for 9, then here it is at 6 weeks of reveg . Looks fairly healthy for a plant that has been stressed through flower and a reveg all along in that measly 9 lt pot of coir for 18 weeks.

 

[CoB_nUt]

Why all the hate on 2oz plant growers? Lol. They need love also. I don't quite understand the statement about not vegging long enough to get the plants full expression under certain lights. A plant is mature when she's sexually mature eh? No matter what timeframe WE put on them. Granted there are certain things we as gardeners can do to speed up sexual maturity,that's neither here nor there.
So,what's the timeframe on sexual maturity for ganja?(Rehtorical)Whether it be a month of veg or 3 months veg, full expression comes from letting the plant ripen properly also,it isn't all about the veg time.

Edit* Ok, I went back and reread the post. Admittdely,I scrambled some stuff up in my head and took some things out of context.
Still, my question remains.

 

[CoB_nUt]

@hybridway2 I know you haven't finished up yet and final numbers aren't ready. But by your eyes and feel,which one has yielded more at this point?

Those HLG flowers look thick and dank as fuck. Nicely done. I get blue question marks on the HGL pics,so I can't comment on them ATM.

 

[NanoGadget]

@hybridway2 Don't veg long enough? I've run 12/12 from seed and I've flowered plants that i vegged for well over 2 months. I have grown them small and quick and slow and huge and I'm still not sure what they major morphological differences you are talking about are. Can you explain further?

 

[CoB_nUt]

Did you notice any morphological differences between these two plants IN VEG under different lights? Assuming they are the same cut.

 

[growingforfun]

Why all the hate on 2oz plant growers? Lol. They need love also. I don't quite understand the statement about not vegging long enough to get the plants full expression under certain lights. A plant is mature when she's sexually mature eh? No matter what timeframe WE put on them. Granted there are certain things we as gardeners can do to speed up sexual maturity,that's neither here nor there.
So,what's the timeframe on sexual maturity for ganja?(Rehtorical)Whether it be a month of veg or 3 months veg, full expression comes from letting the plant ripen properly also,it isn't all about the veg time.

Edit* Ok, I went back and reread the post. Admittdely,I scrambled some stuff up in my head and took some things out of context.
Still, my question remains.

I know this wasnt directed at me but I'd still like to respond.

I personally agree with him that many people flower a plant before they are fully mature. My reasoning for this is that in my experience I will see a change in the flower of the seed plant, the first gen of clones, and even the 3rd gen of clones!
A former friend of mine and a very experienced grower flat out refused to flower a seed plant because of this.

Now there may be a better way to explain this than to say it's not fully mature.

It may be better to say that the plant needs time to express some traits in a given environment.


On to the "hate" on smaller growers...
Around here theres a plethora of small scale know-it-alls growing 1 or 2 small plants putting a load of effort into them. That in and of itself is just fine an dandy.
Where the hate comes from is when those sort/scale come and talk shit that someone running several times more watts, several strains, and a much overall larger system has a few leaf issues or misc bullshit that's hardly relevant.

For myself, I only get to look at my room every other day, for about 15 min while I water, and maybe a hour on the weekend. I simply dont care if a few leaf are fucked up (luckily my current grow doesnt have any issues except I didnt trim up under the scrog, no time)
So in this area I'm expecting somewhere around 60 oz. If a 2 oz grower tried telling me something I'd just laugh cuz imma bout to get 30x that.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Most of us flower clones so not sure on what sexual maturity has to do with anything. My monster crop flowers look the same as the seed ones ....Veg times are dictated by how many plants in a given space we choose to run, as does per plant yield. Personally i see between 4 and 10 plants at any given month in my flower 4 x 4. Yield per sq foot is still about the same.
Not sure why this silly dig at people growing smaller plants has anything to do with a light comparison grow except as a distraction. Smaller yields are also very strain dependent and id say the vast majority of people who grow for personnel use grow for quality over yield. If ur growing anything with Big Bud in it then ur not growing for quality id suggest.
Doesnt matter if ur growing 1 plant or 1000, basics are the same.

 

[growingforfun]

Most of us flower clones so not sure on what sexual maturity has to do with anything. My monster crop flowers look the same as the seed ones ....Veg times are dictated by how many plants in a given space we choose to run, as does per plant yield. Personally i see between 4 and 10 plants at any given month in my flower 4 x 4. Yield per sq foot is still about the same.
Not sure why this silly dig at people growing smaller plants has anything to do with a light comparison grow except as a distraction. Smaller yields are also very strain dependent and id say the vast majority of people who grow for personnel use grow for quality over yield. If ur growing anything with Big Bud in it then ur not growing for quality id suggest.
Doesnt matter if ur growing 1 plant or 1000, basics are the same.

Do you have any idea how many strains have bigbud in their genetics?

And it does matter if your growing 1 or 1000. It's not even close to the same lol!

When I plant 100 seeds I assure you its massively differant from when I plant 1 seed. The workload and demands are.... 100x more! Common man dont be silly

 

[CoB_nUt]

I know this wasnt directed at me but I'd still like to respond.

I personally agree with him that many people flower a plant before they are fully mature. My reasoning for this is that in my experience I will see a change in the flower of the seed plant, the first gen of clones, and even the 3rd gen of clones!
A former friend of mine and a very experienced grower flat out refused to flower a seed plant because of this.

Now there may be a better way to explain this than to say it's not fully mature.

It may be better to say that the plant needs time to express some traits in a given environment.


On to the "hate" on smaller growers...
Around here theres a plethora of small scale know-it-alls growing 1 or 2 small plants putting a load of effort into them. That in and of itself is just fine an dandy.
Where the hate comes from is when those sort/scale come and talk shit that someone running several times more watts, several strains, and a much overall larger system has a few leaf issues or misc bullshit that's hardly relevant.

For myself, I only get to look at my room every other day, for about 15 min while I water, and maybe a hour on the weekend. I simply dont care if a few leaf are fucked up (luckily my current grow doesnt have any issues except I didnt trim up under the scrog, no time)
So in this area I'm expecting somewhere around 60 oz. If a 2 oz grower tried telling me something I'd just laugh cuz imma bout to get 30x that.

Thank you, there was a bit of sacarsm unseen thru text in that particular comment. I think hybrid knows this,he's a big boy.

IMHO, whether it be a yeild of 2 oz or 3 lbs, that doesn't discredit anyone's experience.
Circumstances may not allow for everyone to grow larger plants. This doesn't mean they don't experience the same issues if not more than anyone else. I try to learn from everyone I encounter,If not....they are useless to me. So, I kinda agree with you there.

I've run hundreds of 2 liter plants perpetually at one point in time,and the experience learned from running so many different cultivars and #'s was priceless. Yeids were damn good as well.
For ANYONE to shit talk someone who's willing to journal their grow while face being ridiculed at every turn about their grow whether they grow trees with umpteen thousand watts or scraggly little plants with CFLs, is just asinine,IMO. So, I totally agree with you there.

Another opinion of mine....everyone forgets or refuses to acknowledge thee absolute most important factor between grows. Environment. Simple. Environmental factors are the most important IMO.
I ASSUME there are more home growers here than there are large scale or commercial(I'm assuming because I don't get around much on RIU)
I also assume the majority don't have COMPLETE control over their grow environment,most of us adjust to the environment and control what we can.

I appreciate your response and enjoy the convo.

 

[growingforfun]

Thank you, there was a bit of sacarsm unseen thru text in that particular comment. I think hybrid knows this,he a big boy.

IMHO, whether it be a yeild of 2 oz or 3 lbs, that doesn't discredit anyone's experience.
Circumstances may not allow for everyone to grow larger plants. This doesn't mean they don't experience the same issues if not more than anyone else. I try to learn from everyone I encounter,If not....they are useless to me. So, I kinda agree with you there.

I've run hundreds of 2 liter plants perpetually at one point in time,and the experience learned from running so many different cultivars and #'s was priceless. Yeids were damn good as well.
For ANYONE to shit talk someone who's willing to journal their grow while face being ridiculed at every turn about their grow whether they grow trees with umpteen thousand watts or scraggly little plants with CFLs, is just asinine,IMO. So, I totally agree with you there.

Another opinion of mine....everyone forgets or refuses to acknowledge about thee absolute most important factor between grows. Environment. Simple. Environmental factors are the most important IMO.
I ASSUME there are more home growers here than there are large scale or commercial(I'm assuming because I don't get around much on RIU)
I also assume the majority don't have COMPLETE control over their grow environment,most of us adjust to the environment and control what we can.

I appreciate you response and enjoy the convo.

The average user has def seemed to change over the years. 5-6 years ago I seem to remember many many more medium scale medical growers(3-10kw) and full legalization has pushed them out. It's very sad to me.

Now the typical member of the site seems to be growing in a 2x4 under leds. Nothing wrong with that by any means.. but it's a differant type of grower.

A friend of mine down the road had a 20kw with 20 plants and got 20lbs like clockwork. Not a amazing gpw, but growing 20x 1 lb plants is no small feat when done all year, every year.
What he did had nearly nothing in common with what a tent grower does imo.


Kinda like driving a vehicle. You can say driving is driving, basics are the same. But it's a lot differant driving a mini cooper than it is a truck hauling frieght.

 

[CoB_nUt]

The average user has def seemed to change over the years. 5-6 years ago I seem to remember many many more medium scale medical growers(3-10kw) and full legalization has pushed them out. It's very sad to me.

Now the typical member of the site seems to be growing in a 2x4 under leds. Another wrong with that by any means.. but it's a differant type of grower.

A friend of mine down the road had a 20kw with 20 plants and got 20lbs like clockwork. Not a amazing gpw, but growing 20x 1 lb plants is no small feat when done all year, every year.
What he did had nearly nothing in common with what a tent grower does imo.


Kinda like driving a vehicle. You can say driving is driving, basics are the same. But it's a lot differant driving a mini cooper than it is a truck hauling frieght.

Yea, I feel ya. Really I do. I've run a house full,well large master bedroom full of flowering thouies myself...15 of them. 6ers in the closets for veg. Tis true,the times and average user have and are changing. I'm in tents now and have been for a while,but I can get trees under LEDs In tents. Heh, I just can't get as many in that tent than I could if I ran shrubs.

I did not like trimming elbow+ yielding plants. Shit takes forever! No machine bs either.
The biggest difference ya friend had from the 2x4 grower, was plant mass and environment.

LEDs give you easier control of said growing environment,or shall I say it costs less to control it,in MY situation.
I loved my HPS runs,some good years in. I wouldn't go back tho.

 

[growingforfun]

Yea, I feel ya. Really I do. I've run a house full,well large master bedroom full of flowering thouies myself...15 of them. 6ers in the closets for veg. Tis true,the times and average user have and are changing. I'm in tents now and have been for a while,but I can get trees under LEDs In tents. Heh, I just can't get as many in that tent than I could if I ran shrubs.

I did not like trimming elbow+ yielding plants. Shit takes forever! No machine bs either.
The biggest difference ya friend had from the 2x4 grower, was plant mass and environment.

LEDs give you easier control of said growing environment,or shall I say it costs less to control it,in MY situation.
I loved my HPS runs,some good years in. I wouldn't go back tho.

I also have come to hate trimming large plants. Now I aim to trim 2-4 plants every 2 weeks that give me a total of 8-20 oz.

Going back to the oldschool hps large growers... my friends never really used AC. The cheaper to control aspect is kinda a new concept imo... I grew all summer when it was 100+ outside with very few days heat was hard to control for me and that's because I dont vent outside. I think the minimum watts i burned was 1600 + 315 for veg. Hoping to install exhaust next year.


I'm slowly moving to led now that they have reached a tipping point that they truly are better watt for watt, as I'm mainly limited by availible power and I really dont feel like running new lines..

 

[rkymtnman]

so @hybridway2 have you quick dried a small bud from each plant for a pre-cure smoke report?

 

[a mongo frog]

Majority here do not veg long enough to even see the true plant response to the spectrums or lights they're using. Then right into flower. So many of these 2 oz plant growers never see full morphology or maturity. Its almost like bangin underage girls then talking about knowing what a woman wants. I just don't get it dude!
For you MongoFrog!

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So HLG tonight

Absolute fucking dank dude!!!!!!! Pic 1 and 4 probably top 5 world wide, not even fucking around!!!
You should teach a lesson on here about keeping your LEDs at a higher distance to not deal with super bad fox tailing or fingering. Most don't know this they are trying to achieve massive hight ppfd readings.
You absolutely fucking killed it on quality man. Well done. But I've been talking about it for years though so I'm not surprised.