When to start the pre-harvest flush?

Cwmoore577

Cwmoore577

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I can understand it is probably aggravating answering questions like these but I appreciate y’all taking the time.

I do try to read as much as I can and in this kind of situation where one article says flushing is needed and the next saying don’t bother, I like to come here and get some opinions before I just go off and flush the plant based solely off reading some idiots article.

Thanks!
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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Cwmoore577 said:
I can understand it is probably aggravating answering questions like these but I appreciate y’all taking the time.

I do try to read as much as I can and in this kind of situation where one article says flushing is needed and the next saying don’t bother, I like to come here and get some opinions before I just go off and flush the plant based solely off reading some idiots article.

Thanks!
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To be fare
We are a bunch of POTHEADS :hug:
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Save flushing for bad tacos ..... it will NEVER remove excess from plant , it only LEACHES the medium ( dilution ) of possible “ medium “ excess.

You need the plant to USE UP stored nutes and reach end of harvest “ cleaner “ ..... If you hyper load plant all the way thru then THATS where you end up consuming the nutes in your smoke. Plant sometimes at end also slow or stop drinking water , so why would you want a plant overly fed and it cannot finish metabolizing all of it ?

Low nitrogen at end helps continue photosynthesis BUT all of the initial branching and leaf making is now over . You want plant to “ burn off “ its reserves and finalize RIPENING.

FLUSHING is the Fail safe for those growers both noob and others that pushed overfeed. It strips medium and flips feeding to come from the plant instead. Believe it or not even flush / leach of medium there is STILL adequate amounts of nutes left in ... so the process does nothing.
 
Cwmoore577

Cwmoore577

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Budzbuddha said:
Save flushing for bad tacos ..... it will NEVER remove excess from plant , it only LEACHES the medium ( dilution ) of possible “ medium “ excess.

You need the plant to USE UP stored nutes and reach end of harvest “ cleaner “ ..... If you hyper load plant all the way thru then THATS where you end up consuming the nutes in your smoke. Plant sometimes at end also slow or stop drinking water , so why would you want a plant overly fed and it cannot finish metabolizing all of it ?

Low nitrogen at end helps continue photosynthesis BUT all of the initial branching and leaf making is now over . You want plant to “ burn off “ its reserves and finalize RIPENING.

FLUSHING is the Fail safe for those growers both noob and others that pushed overfeed. It strips medium and flips feeding to come from the plant instead. Believe it or not even flush / leach of medium there is STILL adequate amounts of nutes left in ... so the process does nothing.
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Awesome. Thanks for the info!
 
Rider101

Rider101

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Budzbuddha said:
Save flushing for bad tacos ..... it will NEVER remove excess from plant , it only LEACHES the medium ( dilution ) of possible “ medium “ excess.

You need the plant to USE UP stored nutes and reach end of harvest “ cleaner “ ..... If you hyper load plant all the way thru then THATS where you end up consuming the nutes in your smoke. Plant sometimes at end also slow or stop drinking water , so why would you want a plant overly fed and it cannot finish metabolizing all of it ?

Low nitrogen at end helps continue photosynthesis BUT all of the initial branching and leaf making is now over . You want plant to “ burn off “ its reserves and finalize RIPENING.

FLUSHING is the Fail safe for those growers both noob and others that pushed overfeed. It strips medium and flips feeding to come from the plant instead. Believe it or not even flush / leach of medium there is STILL adequate amounts of nutes left in ... so the process does nothing.
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Flushing is recommended by manufacturers of nutirents like GH as well as others.

If your using a commercial nutrient and want the best results follow their instructions!

 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Most growers become clouded by “ manufacturers feeding schedules “ .... everyone of them are overkill in most common homegrown setups . Most were either set from “ controlled “ testing under more optimal conditions that the common grower may not be able to duplicate .

These are designed to be a GUIDE ONLY .... nothing else. They also “ recommend “ more of their products ( to sell you more shit ) that you don’t need. This is where all that MULTIBOTTLE BULLSHIT comes from. I use GH maxibloom and Grow ... never had to flush . I just feed a more reserved amount based on my plants response NOT what some chart says. If we followed everything a feed schedule says , then you will be certain to have problems , excess and fried plants.

Even strains ... certain ones are heavy feeders some not so much , so the feed schedule is kinda moot.

Example : Fox Farms
Their schedule is hella hot PLUS their FFOF SOIL is already charged so adding whats listed just compounds the issue. FFOF SOIL can carry a plant for 6 weeks on nothing but water ... thats how precharged it is.

You need to keep things basic ... simple 2 or 3 part feed ... no “ bud magic jizz “ , fruity sweetners or flushing agents. You only need to leach soil BECAUSE you use synthetic nutes ... to cut the salt buildup. And excess throws that salt issue up fast.
 
Rider101

Rider101

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Budzbuddha said:
Most growers become clouded by “ manufacturers feeding schedules “ .... everyone of them are overkill in most common homegrown setups . Most were either set from “ controlled “ testing under more optimal conditions that the common grower may not be able to duplicate .

These are designed to be a GUIDE ONLY .... nothing else. They also “ recommend “ more of their products ( to sell you more shit ) that you don’t need. This is where all that MULTIBOTTLE BULLSHIT comes from. I use GH maxibloom and Grow ... never had to flush . I just feed a more reserved amount based on my plants response NOT what some chart says. If we followed everything a feed schedule says , then you will be certain to have problems , excess and fried plants.

Even strains ... certain ones are heavy feeders some not so much , so the feed schedule is kinda moot.

Example : Fox Farms
Their schedule is hella hot PLUS their FFOF SOIL is already charged so adding whats listed just compounds the issue. FFOF SOIL can carry a plant for 6 weeks on nothing but water ... thats how precharged it is.

You need to keep things basic ... simple 2 or 3 part feed ... no “ bud magic jizz “ , fruity sweetners or flushing agents. You only need to leach soil BECAUSE you use synthetic nutes ... to cut the salt buildup. And excess throws that salt issue up fast.
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Take a look at my grow and ask yourself do you want a pound of top buds off of four plants plus an ounce water hash using just 800 watts? If you do just follow the non-recovery chart by GH. But hey I've only been growing cannabis using rockwol, clay pellets, soil, sunshine mix, since 1988 including mixing my own nutrients from scratch so what do i know eh.
 
Rider101

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puffdatchronic

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if the plant looks green and healthy right at the end you can give plain water the last week or two as there will be nutrients stored in the soil and the plant can take anything it needs out of its fan leaves. if you do it just right the plant will have faded out just a bit and the less chlorophil in the leaves makes it taste a bit better.
bombarding the plant with nutrients right up until chop is unneeded
 
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KryptoBud

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Rider101 said:
Do you really believe you know more about growing cannabis then nutrient manufactures who spend millions in R&D?
Take a look at my grow using GH nutrients in my signature link, all you need to do is follow the guide.

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Can you explain how flushing removes anything from the plant itself please? A chart from a nutrient company telling you to use 5x the amount needed and selling flushing solution doesn't make it fact.
The plant itself can"t move about half of the nutes absorbed and just giving water isn't going to change that. Not feeding a plant only causes the plant to move mobile nutrients from the old growth (leaves) to new growth (buds). Its never used up or flushed away. You can grow, kill it, dry it, roll it up and smoke it and if you had those ashes tested you'd see all of the trace elements absorbed.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Herb & Suds said:
I don't think "flushing " does that
At least I haven't seen any difference and I am unaware of any testing to the same
Once that plant takes in Nutrients it would take a starvation diet and a month to remove them
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the nutes get build into plant material. leaves only clean water in the wet parts of the plant. otherwise, you are smoking the residue of the fertilized solution you fed. this is most detrimental with N
 
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KryptoBud

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Kassiopeija said:
the solution in the soil containing salts, both gets sucked upwards, and fill the inner wet parts of the plant. we're replacing that with clean water here...
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And that removes what from the plant cells? Soil itself is made of nutrients essential to life how are you stopping that from being absorbed, and where does the flushing solution fit into this?
. A deficient leave turns yellow because its recycling mobile nutes from vegetative organs to reproductive organs. There is no washing them away or using them up, even yellow leaves hold mineral content, think compost.
 
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Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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KryptoBud said:
And that removes what from the plant cells?
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I was refering to the fluidic parts of the plant, that not necessarily cellular just as our blood has free serum in which minerals flow

a starved plant also seem to hurry up in finishing the buds...
 
majjy_rane

majjy_rane

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Kassiopeija said:
the nutes get build into plant material. leaves only clean water in the wet parts of the plant. otherwise, you are smoking the residue of the fertilized solution you fed. this is most detrimental with N
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KryptoBud said:
The plant itself can"t move about half of the nutes absorbed and just giving water isn't going to change that. Not feeding a plant only causes the plant to move mobile nutrients from the old growth (leaves) to new growth (buds). Its never used up or flushed away. You can grow, kill it, dry it, roll it up and smoke it and if you had those ashes tested you'd see all of the trace elements absorbed.
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this is the funny part... so i guess a majority of people who flush do it because of quote #1 otherwise biophysically is quote #2 also not wrong when you thiink about it... so the yellowing gives the grower just some kinda feeling hes getting rid of those unwanted "chemical fertz" etc. and just smoking the "good" stuff [at this point if you smoke it you shouldn't worry about those ppm what gets in your lungs anyway, smoke is smoke]

so this is the paradox what i don't get and try to find out... o_O
 
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