breaking down the dry and cure :-)

Kingrow1

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Worth a repost -

In this business i see a lot of ways, methods and personal opinions but very few seem to offer some kind of basis with which to understand and become yourself knowledgeable. As i surf through various sets of data i see some reoccurring facts that most industries use to gain some kind of insight into what they are doing whether artisan crafters or high tech conglomerates and this translates directly to us when we harvest dry and cure.


Equilibrium Moisture Content

The equilibrium moisture content (EMC) of a hygroscopic material surrounded at least partially by air is the moisture content at which the material is neither gaining nor losing moisture. The value of the EMC depends on the material and the relative humidity and temperature of the air with which it is in contact. The speed with which it is approached depends on the properties of the material, the surface-area-to-volume ratio of its shape, and the speed with which humidity is carried away or towards the material (e.g. diffusion in stagnant air or convection in moving air). Source - Wikipedia

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This above data is not for marijuana but most data sets have dried organic matter at between 9 - 15%. It suggests that after time in a certain environment the bud will equalize to one of these percentages - lets say its reasonably humid, expect the upper percentage whereas a lower humidity would move you to a drier product.

The clue is in the word 'EQUALIZE'.... once it has equalized with your environment its not going to change much and there is no rush to jar or store as if it equalizes at 12% and nothing changes it will still be at 12% in a couple of weeks time and certainly wont turn into 0% moisture and the subsequent pile of dust that happens with no moisture whatsoever. Id advise you extend your time a little in the dry to make certain you have equalized and are not jarring excess moisture still waiting to ooze out of your bud and in that stagnant jar simply cause mold.

This is all consistent with what us old schoolers do which is hang the bud for a couple of weeks then jar and were done, it is not consistent with those jarring after five days that bud which has yet to equalize and will thus attract mold and bad decomposition.


Force Drying

As i refer to hang drying i really mean natural shade drying, if we apply heat wind and exceedingly low humidities of a few percent we will actually speed the drying and breakdown products from enzymatic process that require a slow steady moisture loss not quick abrupt loss will not happen. Those breakdowns are the chlorophyll into its constituent green compounds loosing the green harsher taste and starches into sugars which provides the sweet and caramelized flavors that accompany our trichs. You must learn to provide air exchange not wind, trust that your humidity will allow you to reach one of those final moisture contents and smokable primo bud plus ensure you keep it shaded and cooler rather than hotter 18-20 degrees Celsius should e achievable for most indoors if you check around with a thermometer and some common sense, cooler is fine.

Enzymatic process Fungi and Bacteria

A quick rundown sees fungi needing the highest humidities/moisture contents and bacteria and enzymes working at much lower humidities/moisture contents. Simply put even at 10% bud moisture - at what we consider very dry there are still enzymes and bacteria changing a whole host of stuff that will ensure some quality smoke and none of that harshness from chlorophyll or startch. Some seem to think if you dont jar early enough this stuff stops - well it dosent and simply drying to equilibrium will leave you with the right material for the longer term curing process plus no extra moisture to release into your jar causing mold dudes to turn up and spoil your party.

So far this flies in the face of a lot of the modern technique - hang for two weeks, jar when equalized, this aint your usual advise to jar after five days and some mumbo jumbo about stems snapping etc etc but this way takes into account bud moisture and the mold factor to give you a workable and dank ass method we old schoolers have been doing for long time plus it satisfies all of the science. If your scared of ruining your bud, take but a tiny branch and practice what ive written above whilst sticking to your five day jar boveda 62% cure method.

Curing

We have hung till equalization and then a little long to make sure equalization was reached, so were ready to jar - logic would dictate that if we jar now and come back in 24 hours and the bud feels wetter in any way we werent quite at equalization - take out give it a day to dry more and retry, when the jar keeps your product at the same dryness it went in at you would with logic assume it will now store for long periods without change to its moisture content.

lets reverse the info here in a clever trick - as bud equalizes with the air so will the air in a sealed jar re - equalize with the bud - say your bud was at 12% when we put it in the jar well scroll back up and look at the graph above in reverse. At this point if we put 12% bud into a jar and work backwards the jar should rise back upto around 62%. We now know bud moisture and jar humidity with zero effort and full confidence of what just happened.

Be confident if you reach this point of bud moisture and jar stability you now have something that will continue those slow enzymatic processes, some will only happen at this low moisture so its primed to cure without you needing to burp or interfere or stress to hec about humidity and moisture or what x y and z grower said about the need to jar when stems bend or whatever the funk idk.

Burping

To me burping is just a way to check the product has reached the points i need, i do it once a day for a couple of days just to check things are sweet. Obviously seeing little change leaves me happy that nothing will change longer term when it is fully stored away.

Matrix

No this is not some red blue pill question, its what you technically call bud once its dry. Id like to define two systems and their differences - Wet fresh bud has a large volume of water encapsulated in cells and transport systems, once roots are cut and moisture lost these are no longer water holding cells and systems but rather dead matter that will never function or absorb water biologically again. It is however a series of surfaces, areas, corners and such which would define it as a matrix. As such it can absorb water onto these surfaces cracks micro-pores and spaces but this is not rehydration in the sense we are rehydrating cells, more like scrunching some paper up and wetting it, nothing is restored in cells and functions are not started.

Be ye carefully this rehydration is not the initial moisture and if your force a cell to dry to quick and expunge its moisture it will not restart processes - i cannot force dry buy dry in an hour remoisten it and expect primo bud at the end ot the subsequent dry and cure, you must allow nature to do its job unfortunately.

Disclaimer

A lot of this work it theoretical and borrowed form other industries - although accurate and correct it is merely the basis of what could be an educated and informative subject here.... enjoy :-)
 
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I live in Colorado and its dry as hell out here. What is a recommended way of drying. Hanging in a dark closet. Start off in a paper bag. Im as new as its gets to this. I have a 14 plants that I just brought in a few days ago, some seem really dry some seem moist. But I really want to get a foundation of this drying before I harvest my first indoor grow Mid December. Thanks for any and all help.
 

Plutarch

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I live in Colorado and its dry as hell out here. What is a recommended way of drying. Hanging in a dark closet. Start off in a paper bag. Im as new as its gets to this. I have a 14 plants that I just brought in a few days ago, some seem really dry some seem moist. But I really want to get a foundation of this drying before I harvest my first indoor grow Mid December. Thanks for any and all help.
I have a similar problem in the winter. In my case I initially set up a drying box, made of a storage container, drilled in the back and on the sides for airflow. This sits on top of another container that holds the steady-state draw output fan. I cut a hole in the bottom of the dry box and the top of the clandestine fan box and routed the outflow from a small humidifier into the fan box. Not the drying box. Then I placed a Inkbird unit set to 55% in the dry box and connect it to the humidifier. Once set up it will trip on and off keeping the dry box at 55%. I've since augmented with a whole room setup that works a little better and your situation might not be the same but your concern is a good one. Low humidity will dry your meds too fast and the taste will reflect that. I'm frankly still trying to sort it out myself. Good luck with it.
 

Nizza

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in dry hot climates some growers use swamp chillers. It cools the air and adds alot of humidity~ but adds risks of mold due to it just being alot of water open to the air.
 

Kingrow1

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Im gona add more to enzymatic, bacterial and fungal processes 'caus i didnt explain that well -

So starting from fresh wet trimmed just harvested bud which would be at 90% moisture content, the rest 10% would be organic matter, a whole set of stuff gets to work i.e. bacteria, fungi and plant enzymes (fungi the one that does the least so is less talked about in the dry). Chlorophyll is broken down into various green compounds etc etc and all involve stuff that works at high moistures.

Eventually this stuff ceases but it takes a week to hang dry and a week to fully finish all processes due to a now low moisture content, could be 10% could be 12% depending on your ambient humidity - refer back to the moisture equilibrium chart.

The bud is done ready to smoke, if you got hay go back to school domethings wrong. But from this low moisture content starts a whole host of new bacterial and enzymatic processes (fungi dont work at such low moisture contents and so is dismissed), schools out for that mofo. These low moisture processes are slow and hence the long length of the cure to appreciate their subtle changes. We say cure but one might just merely call it storage and appreciate that shit gets better with age.... fucking young folk take note.

There is no reason to speed up or slow down the natural dry, room temps and humidities are fine and the variation will not speed up or slow the dry by more than a dqy or so around the world.

Its not going to overdry if thats what your worried about too, craply grown bud goes crispy dry not primo bud when hang drying. In a hotter drier country weeds naturally drier than a cold hunid country and so on but a couple percent change dont stop the fact it all smokes well in a joint.

Those that jar before the drying process and processes are complete shot themselves in the foot and atest to a bad hay smell even taste - no bueno go back to school :-)
 

Kingrow1

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I hang dry for two weeks in many temps and humidities - try asking my weather not to be changable every day season and ckimate change. One day its 70% rh the next 20%, temps are 18 to 34 depending on time of year. I do the same hang dry for two weeks.

One thing i try to do is jar on a low humidity day, just personal preference but i find this futher backs up the dry and reduces chances of excess moisture.

The odd time i feel damp buds after jarring i rehang for a day or so - thats the jar burping part to me, not to let moisture out but to check after 24 and 48 hours that the bud has stayed dry and i got the drying pasrt right and low enough moisture wise.



After a few grows you get the hang of it and are set for life :-)
 

Nizza

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I do a slow dry and have had the same experience kingrow. If it smokes good before going into jars, it is good.

I do a check a few hours later after I jar and then the next day, which I usually don't have to even worry about because I dried enough.
This year I bought this cannabis dehydrator for the humid season here, and I wanted to see how it would effect the dry.

Suprisingly after the three day dry I still have a great smoke, no hay. But I chose to use it because it was so friggin humid out, and IMO it was sweet I didnt have to move around buds and hang them, just put em in there and wait for the timer to go down.

I did have one dry day when I thought it needed 10 more hours and I came back home from work and wished I hadn't. It was just a little over dry but still smoked good.
With the slow dry method I think it would be alot easier to not over-dry the buds. What do you think?https://myherbsnow.com/
 

Kingrow1

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Ya you get that drying produces a finished product by waiting for it to smoke well and not just be dry.

Which leads us onto overdrying which you cant do.by naturally hanging - it simply equalizes and stays at the same moisture content for weeks and probably longer. In you dehumidifier it is forcing bud drying a little as three days is too quick, forcing can lead to overdrying but also shit grown bud will overdry which is why some fear hanging too long.

I live in Wales, we get humid years not seasons a lot, indoors is always fine but a little trial and error as with all stuff in life.

:-)




I do a slow dry and have had the same experience kingrow. If it smokes good before going into jars, it is good.

I do a check a few hours later after I jar and then the next day, which I usually don't have to even worry about because I dried enough.
This year I bought this cannabis dehydrator for the humid season here, and I wanted to see how it would effect the dry.

Suprisingly after the three day dry I still have a great smoke, no hay. But I chose to use it because it was so friggin humid out, and IMO it was sweet I didnt have to move around buds and hang them, just put em in there and wait for the timer to go down.

I did have one dry day when I thought it needed 10 more hours and I came back home from work and wished I hadn't. It was just a little over dry but still smoked good.
With the slow dry method I think it would be alot easier to not over-dry the buds. What do you think?https://myherbsnow.com/
 
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