The art of cloning

[myke]

Whats the secret everbody asks.Answers from all over the board,ph ,rooting gel, dome, misting it goes on and on.No one mentions or rarely is it touched upon.
The single most important thing?
What say you?

 

[OneHitDone]

Environment

 

[Herb & Suds]

A healthy plant to begin with

 

[myke]

A healthy plant to begin with

bingo!

 

[myke]

I have a coco plant that’s been miss treated. Ph food temp all wrong. I took some clones and labeled them. I’m now going to try and nurse said plant back to heath.doing what the internet says to do,less N fulvic acid and so on. Will take clones in another week and see the difference. I’m cloning in a bubble cloner.

 

[myke]

Roots have started on the first clones so that was 16 days,plant had started to flower being outside.Have been nursing the mother in my veg room, shes looking better.Still need another week i think then ill reduce the N.Ive also started to add some fulvic and vit B.Will see what happens.

 

[Hashishh]

No secret. I use a home made bubble cloner. Just a tote and airstone. I've only run about 16 clones through it thus far but even the runtiest have rooted. Dip & go. I've found no difference between the gel and powder.
As long as you've got proper DO you've nothing to worry about.

 

[myke]

forgot about this. Just an up date. Plants are just revegging now. My plan was to compare the difference between clones cut from a plant that is getting full dose of food to a plant that is more prepared for cloning. So less N more fulvic kinda thing. Once plant is fully vegging again I’ll revisit.
So many hobbies so little time.

 

[Rahz]

Whats the secret everbody asks.Answers from all over the board,ph ,rooting gel, dome, misting it goes on and on.No one mentions or rarely is it touched upon.
The single most important thing?
What say you?

To me the single most important thing besides the obvious is protecting against root rot. Even well oxygenated cloners can get it. First thing to keep in mind is being sanitary about the whole process and you can have excellent results. I prefer using air stones to pumps because they are discarded after use and I don't need to worry about cleaning pumps. Going a step further I have been using a dry microbe powder called Azos for cloning (though any dry microbe powder should be fine). This provides an extra layer of protection against root pathogens. Liquid microbe solutions can go weak during transport (heat) or storage (time). Dry mixes tend to survive heat better and store much longer.

I prefer not to use domes. Even with RH in the mid 40s - 50, clones in open air will do fine. High humidity/low airflow and beneficial microbes can become to aggressive and colonize the stem which is not good.

 

[OneHitDone]

To me the single most important thing besides the obvious is protecting against root rot. Even well oxygenated cloners can get it. First thing to keep in mind is being sanitary about the whole process and you can have excellent results. I prefer using air stones to pumps because they are discarded after use and I don't need to worry about cleaning pumps. Going a step further I have been using a dry microbe powder called Azos for cloning (though any dry microbe powder should be fine). This provides an extra layer of protection against root pathogens. Liquid microbe solutions can go weak during transport (heat) or storage (time). Dry mixes tend to survive heat better and store much longer.

I prefer not to use domes. Even with RH in the mid 40s - 50, clones in open air will do fine. High humidity/low airflow and beneficial microbes can become to aggressive and colonize the stem which is not good.

Are you using a hormone in addition to the Azos?

 

[Rahz]

I do use a rooting hormone. I've gone without and got good results though.

 

[OneHitDone]

I do use a rooting hormone. I've gone without and got good results though.

It is interesting that some cultivars and varieties of plants in general seem to just pop roots on their own while others definitely need a helping hand and some special care for reproduction

 

[Rahz]

I've noticed some root faster than others, but never sure if it's the health of the mom or strain. I'll keep that in mind.

Not the most important, but up there, is healthy mothers. I used to go light on the N to try and keep them to a manageable size, but best to feed them well and replace as necessary.

 

[Star Dog]

To me the single most important thing besides the obvious is protecting against root rot. Even well oxygenated cloners can get it. First thing to keep in mind is being sanitary about the whole process and you can have excellent results. I prefer using air stones to pumps because they are discarded after use and I don't need to worry about cleaning pumps. Going a step further I have been using a dry microbe powder called Azos for cloning (though any dry microbe powder should be fine). This provides an extra layer of protection against root pathogens. Liquid microbe solutions can go weak during transport (heat) or storage (time). Dry mixes tend to survive heat better and store much longer.

I prefer not to use domes. Even with RH in the mid 40s - 50, clones in open air will do fine. High humidity/low airflow and beneficial microbes can become to aggressive and colonize the stem which is not good.

You do air cloning as well, I put a airstone in my tank today when I checked it and hour later I noticed that the lid had been sprayed by the bubbles rising and bursting, this gave me the idea to try it out as a air cloner...
A few questions if you don't mind, do you have the clone stem submerged or above the water/feed so that the bubbles bursting are watering/covering it.
I've some neoprene collars I could just float but maybe the bubbles bursting is a better idea?

Thanks SD

 

[go go kid]

You do air cloning as well, I put a airstone in my tank today when I checked it and hour later I noticed that the lid had been sprayed by the bubbles rising and bursting, this gave me the idea to try it out as a air cloner...
A few questions if you don't mind, do you have the clone stem submerged or above the water/feed so that the bubbles bursting are watering/covering it.
I've some neoprene collars I could just float but maybe the bubbles bursting is a better idea?

Thanks SD

you wont regret it, i discovered the same thing and have been useing it for cloneing for a while now. but i had problems with my hindu kush not taking toit for some obscure reason and tried the root riot and two took so im a fan of both methods but root riot for troublesom cuts

 

[boybelue]

Permaclone has some good reads on the subject.

 

[Star Dog]

you wont regret it, i discovered the same thing and have been useing it for cloneing for a while now. but i had problems with my hindu kush not taking toit for some obscure reason and tried the root riot and two took so im a fan of both methods but root riot for troublesom cuts

I had a old style aero cloner some years ago it used little mesh pots with 1" rw cubes but imo it was far too wet and it went all green and was generally wet all the time with overspray
The one I make will be an improvement over that, it'll have a black plastic lid with the neoprene collars sealed in the holes and I think only the bubbles busting to wet it.

How have you got your set up, submerged stem or only the bubble spray?

 

[go go kid]

originaly i did both, but with the bubbles bursting over the cuts, i used hose pipe sections with a cut down one side so i could open them up and just take the cut out

 

[go go kid]

im quite hard on my plants and dont let the roots develope as much as others,

 

[Star Dog]

originaly i did both, but with the bubbles bursting over the cuts, i used hose pipe sections with a cut down one side so i could open them up and just take the cut out

Sorry would you mind expanding on that I can't form a picture using cut hose to hold them?