Seedlings dead need help for next bacth

mustbetribbin

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If you are going with fluorescent lighting, it's a good idea to pay attention to the spectrum color/temp, a seedling placed too close to a 6500k daylight bulb will get toasted faster than a 2700- 3200K bulb would do, but for seedlings I always suggest incandescent & flouro combined (cheap/gentle/effective), maybe a 25watt matched up with around 4000-5000k flouro bulb, I keep my lights away from my seedlings around 2 feet away, I don't get stretched stems this way because I use at least 2 light sources usually, say 2- 23w cfl flouros matched up to one incandescent.

Seedlings don't need highly intensified lighting, lower output bulb types like the ones I mentioned above have done well for me in my setup thus far. If you use incandescent bulbs just be sure to widen out the spectrum a bit away from the 2700k that they already emit, need to be sure and add some blue/green light in there also, I'd try and find 4100k bulbs me personally, now that cfl bulbs are becoming more rare, 2-4ft T5 bulbs are becoming the go to option to reach for when looking for different spectrum varieties, since T5's are still produced for agricultural/growing purposes.

I'd probably go without adding any cloning fluids to the substrate and might even recommend rinsing the clone plugs out before use, just trying to figure what might have occurred other than then not receiving adequate light. They do benefit and experience enhanced grow from red/far red/ NIR/ IR/ UV (the rest of the spectrum is of benefit after the seedling breaks the soil) emitted above the soil before the seedling even breaks it's shell, I recommend having your lights running by at around the 36hr mark after they have hit the soil, this is typically when the seedling first begins to imbibe water from outside of its shell inwards, as soon as the seed starts receiving those first water molecules light can be used to enhance a seedlings growth.

Seedlings are able to harvest photons through the stem before the first leaves even begin to collect light, seedlings are born with specialized proteins along the stem that provides them with this benefit.

But back to the spectrum thing if I may for a moment, how close the light is to the plant depends on how large the growing area is, now a seedling at 10" away in 1x2 metal cabinet is going to be receiving more photons/UV from a flouro at this distance than it would in a 6x6 area with the same bulb, the smaller the area, the further away the bulb should be to the plant, granted the same bulb is being used. I keep my 4100k T5 bulbs at least 18-20" away from my germinating seedlings initially, and my cfl bulbs I keep them about 24-36 inches depending on the color spectrum, most people don't realize the coiled/condensed energy that those cfl bulbs emit (I use a reflector on mine, in the open room it may vary, so definitely try and find your own sweet spot with which ever lighting you decide on) so I would use some caution if I were you, and just keep an eye on them, if they stretch any just move them slightly closer to the light or add an extra bulb nearby, easy peasy.

Let me know if you've got any other Qs, thanks & take care friend.
 
If you germ in rooter plugs again just check every day. Once you see them breaking the surface take off the dome.
As far as seed direction in rooter plugs you want pointy part of seed facing down or bract mount of seed facing up(saying same thing).
If I was going to germ in plugs I would transplant As soon as they broke the surface to allow the tap root to run. (Small containers/cups/whatever u have.)
I love the 32ounce styro and they keep soil temp fluctuations down.

Keep rocking bro....
 

GG504

Active Member
If you germ in rooter plugs again just check every day. Once you see them breaking the surface take off the dome.
As far as seed direction in rooter plugs you want pointy part of seed facing down or bract mount of seed facing up(saying same thing).
If I was going to germ in plugs I would transplant As soon as they broke the surface to allow the tap root to run. (Small containers/cups/whatever u have.)
I love the 32ounce styro and they keep soil temp fluctuations down.

Keep rocking bro....
They are going in 27 gal container for hydro
 

GG504

Active Member
Nice but your not planning on going straight into that system right...?
After seedling sprout about an inch or two yes I was but won’t use my hps light I’ll get some flourescent bulbs or the t5 lighting that was recommended probly till flowering.
 

GG504

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Also can anyone recommend any good nutes for seedling I’ll only be using around 50 to 100ppm
 

Dish

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Also can anyone recommend any good nutes for seedling I’ll only be using around 50 to 100ppm
Sure... Don't use any. Seedlings (less than 2 weeks) need very little if any nutes. The benefits you may gain by adding nutes are slight compared to the risks of burn or lockout.

I am a huge fan of Rapid Rooters (Root Riot plugs) and have great success when starting from seed. I soak the seed in water for 12-24 hours (just until it first starts to crack open) then transfer into plugs. Rather than mess with a dome I find it much simpler to use two tiny solo cups with a small piece of tape. Before the seed breaks the surface I just make sure the plug is moist and flip the cup up so it's covering the lower cup. This creates a "tiny moisture dome" that's much easier to maintain than a larger dome dome. (Not that either are that hard, but I find the 2 x cup method super easy to monitor as I can pick up each plant and physically feel if it's too dry)

As soon as the little fella's break the surface I flip the cup down and put it under a small CFL or my Mars Hydro TS600 for a few days.



The small humidifier I scored at Wally World for $12 does just enough to keep em moist when I'm gone for the day. That, plus the seedling mat under the plastic bin, creates the perfect environment for lil babbies.

The trick with the plugs is two-fold...

1 - They can't be too wet. I have ruined many seeds by leaving too much moisture in the plugs. It really is a delicate balancing act between when the taproot is out and when photosynthesis begins. Too much water\moisture will kill your seedlings FAST.

2 - When they break the surface GIVE THEM LIGHT! As soon as the first two leaves open you need to flip that top cup down and give them some light! I suggest CFL's if you're a newbie and don't want to kill them.

FYI - I use this same setup for my clones. The most developed plant in the above pic is actually a clone that just took root.

 
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