Sativa strains, landrace genetics and where to obtain..

MrToad69

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Hey Gang

Now that growing cannabis is legal in Canada, more and more people are looking for varieties to grow at home and in their backyards..Unfortunately, depending in how you look at it, many people are confined to growing hybrids from the plethora of seedbanks out there and really dont know what their getting...So where do you get credible info?
I've started this thread in hopes of sharing info and sources for landrace strains..of particular importance to me, are the sativas...The reason, is that extensive hybridization has stripped out extensive cannabinoids profiles...With a mother and sister both with cancer, and another friend with diabetes I have began to look into other options for treatment.(.perhaps something uplifting for myself.. :) ).The cannabinoid THCV for example (one that I am looking for), although rare in the hybrids of today is thought to be present in many African sativas...Hopefully, this help thread helps others in there search for credible info..
So who of the credible suppliers of legitimate Landrace sativas? ( CBG, Ace, Seeds of Africa) any issue with your orders, any feedback is appreciated.

Thanks
Toad
 
Thundercat

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No offense, but the search function would get you all the answers you want easily. There are tons of threads with info about "landrace" genetics. If you are in Canada, I hope you aren't thinking about growing these landraces outdoors, it won't work. I just learned about these guys a couple days ago on another landrace thread. https://therealseedcompany.com/

I love sativas, but they typically take a long time to flower, and usually have a lot of stretch so they require excellent canopy management and training to grow them well indoors. I've ran some that went to 14-16 weeks of ACTUAL flower time, not 12/12 flip time. Which means those plants were under 12/12 lighting for 16-19 weeks. They yielded some awesome weed that people have asked me for more of for years. Sadly they also took up tons of space and time.
 
MrToad69

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Thundercat

Thanks for the post..

I think you're a far more trusting individual than I...

Admittedly, I'm a bit of a noobie when it come to landrace strains...having myself bought into the advantage of hybrids from the perspective of flower time...but at the expense of different cannabinoids?
When I bought seeds a few years back from Cropking, due to lack of options in Canada...The leaves of the Blue Dream I had ordered looked like big fat indica leaves...?? Wtf..nothing like the real thing.
Hence, the point of this thread..What you see and research on the web is often not what you get...Some Unscrupulous sellers will pound anything out the door to get your money..

Who do you trust?
 
Thundercat

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MrToad69 said:
Thundercat

Thanks for the post..

I think you're a far more trusting individual than I...

Admittedly, I'm a bit of a noobie when it come to landrace strains...having myself bought into the advantage of hybrids from the perspective of flower time...but at the expense of different cannabinoids?
When I bought seeds a few years back from Cropking, due to lack of options in Canada...The leaves of the Blue Dream I had ordered looked like big fat indica leaves...?? Wtf..nothing like the real thing.
Hence, the point of this thread..What you see and research on the web is often not what you get...Some Unscrupulous sellers will pound anything out the door to get your money..

Who do you trust?
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Well I’ve been growing for 14 years. I’ve ran seeds from many companies. You get good and bad from them all really. A big part of growing is learning to phenohunt the type of plants you want. If you got fat leaves from a bluedream plant then you likely got a phenotype which was leaning towards the blueberry genetic line. I don’t know any company off hand that you can order and expect to get a whole pack of the same phenotype. That doesn’t mean they are being dishonest. It’s called genetics. Even when people self seeds there is still genetic diversity in any seed grow and you have to find the good ones.

In all reality that will be FAR worse with “landrace” genetics since the pool is even wider and you have know way of knowing what the parents were.

Now I’m not bad mouthing “landrace”. I personally greatly appreciate the vast genetic diversity offered in those lines. I also understand that to make good use of them I need to run a decent number of them and phenohunt a good one. Finding a winner is going to take more time and maybe even more work. I may need to make a cross(or several) to try to isolate desirable traits.

So it’s not that I trust all these companies. I really don’t appreciate lots of the new ones because they are just pollen chucking or making hype S1s or F1s and not really doing any breeding.

I do think for the average grower you will get a much better chance of a winner plant from a reputable hybrid. One of my favorite plants I have grown was a G13 labs white widow. I ran it for about 4 years. I’ve grown very nice plants from Sin City seeds, I actually tested genetics from them for 2 seasons. Another one of my favorites was female seeds C99. I’ve read great things about Bodhi for years but havnt had the time to try them. Currently I’m excited to try some stuff by Duke Diamond. He was one half of Brothers Grimm and has released a bunch of “Duke’s Vault” crosses that sound awesome. In Canada you might look into “Sacred seeds”. I don’t know if they are still around but I got beans from them years ago and they were legit.
 
MrToad69

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Thundercat said:
Well I’ve been growing for 14 years. I’ve ran seeds from many companies. You get good and bad from them all really. A big part of growing is learning to phenohunt the type of plants you want. If you got fat leaves from a bluedream plant then you likely got a phenotype which was leaning towards the blueberry genetic line. I don’t know any company off hand that you can order and expect to get a whole pack of the same phenotype. That doesn’t mean they are being dishonest. It’s called genetics. Even when people self seeds there is still genetic diversity in any seed grow and you have to find the good ones.

In all reality that will be FAR worse with “landrace” genetics since the pool is even wider and you have know way of knowing what the parents were.

Now I’m not bad mouthing “landrace”. I personally greatly appreciate the vast genetic diversity offered in those lines. I also understand that to make good use of them I need to run a decent number of them and phenohunt a good one. Finding a winner is going to take more time and maybe even more work. I may need to make a cross(or several) to try to isolate desirable traits.

So it’s not that I trust all these companies. I really don’t appreciate lots of the new ones because they are just pollen chucking or making hype S1s or F1s and not really doing any breeding.

I do think for the average grower you will get a much better chance of a winner plant from a reputable hybrid. One of my favorite plants I have grown was a G13 labs white widow. I ran it for about 4 years. I’ve grown very nice plants from Sin City seeds, I actually tested genetics from them for 2 seasons. Another one of my favorites was female seeds C99. I’ve read great things about Bodhi for years but havnt had the time to try them. Currently I’m excited to try some stuff by Duke Diamond. He was one half of Brothers Grimm and has released a bunch of “Duke’s Vault” crosses that sound awesome. In Canada you might look into “Sacred seeds”. I don’t know if they are still around but I got beans from them years ago and they were legit.
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Tcat
I agree whole-heartedly...In an effort to find and grow the best cannabis, you have to be good at spoting the pheno's your looking for..that said, Ive gotten pretty good at finding probable outcomes for multi-trait punnet squares since my university days...

Of those blue dream seeds I grew...not one looked even remotely sativa'ish in nature..just all stalky indica's..

I think part of the problem too, with all growers..there is this ignorance we have..We all know what we like, but what are the effects of a true sativa? I think I may have had some real African strains when I was young..were they real? How would I even know? I believe that... over the years, through our pursuit of the recreational side of Cannabis, namely THC, we have more than likely lost numerous other cannabinoids in the hybrids of today..Ive bought some Subcool gear as well as Barney's farm with the intent of targeting sativa skewed stains, not much.

Thanks for that sacred seeds lead..I'll take a peek

Toad
 
MrToad69

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Just curious if there is anyone out on Vancouver Island attempting to grow landrace sativas..albeit with planters moved inside or tents?
 
Shua1991

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I've found the best smoke I've had in years in Ace seeds 'Golden Tiger', it's difficult to describe its growth patterns as only 2-3 out of 40 plants were like this, I've kept the clones to rerun this winter, and they require 13-15 weeks of flower depending on light schedule. People I've shared these coveted buds with compared it to psychedelic cocaine(I wouldn't know). Lasts around 4 hours from a 1 gram joint, better than the other phenotypes by far, smells like granola honey and spice or like honey smacks cereal.

If you're willing to hunt for the best, give Golden tiger a try, the keeper phenotype is well worth the flowering time.

I used 11/13 flowering times to reduce the total flowering a week or so, some plants finished around 13.5-14 weeks while others went 15 weeks, if under 12/12 I'd guess they would've went a solid 14-17 weeks.
 
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Shua1991

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I'm starting a bunch now, but I may have vegged them way too long, they tend to stretch a fair bit in flower, so I super cropped them all to widen them out.

I've got a few Plushberry cuts in revegging in the same tent and transferred these all to new pots as they were rootbound and showing deficiencies but they'll recover' these golden tigers are as resilient as they come.20191110_183604.jpg20191110_183456.jpg
 

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MrToad69

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Hey Shua
Thanks for the heads up on the Golden Tiger...unfortunately pheno hunting with lower odds of a premium cut and a long flower time I'd certainly have my work cut out for me..My budget would be spent..chuckle.
Another question...perhaps someone has some insight? Why are the effects of Sativa's and Indica's so different? I realize the combination of thc, terpenes and other cannabinoids all contribute..but since, the effects are so dramatically different I'm thinking there is something I am missing ( can't be just thc)..I was reading about an African strain from the days of old that was referred to as "Black Dagga"..unreal!
 
Thundercat

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Why the effects are different I can’t tell you. But they are lol. The 16 week sativa I grew years ago was awesome speedy psychedelic smoke. It was as real a sativa as any I think. I’d have to look back to the beginning of my grow journal to find the strain, but the grow is documented here. I look forward to growing some of the Ace offerings and maybe even some true landrace some day.

If sativa is what you are looking for have you tried any C99? There are several options that each get good reviews. I got a great pheno from a single 4 pack
 
MrToad69

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I haven't tried the C99, although Ive heard good things about it...I think the closest Ive found to a sativa, which many purists would question is Subcool's Jack the Ripper..which I'm presently curing...I'll let you know how it pans out.
Another strain that a friend mentions, is actually a hybrid as well from what I understand, is Acapulco Gold..He said it was amazing.. :)
Perhaps its got some nostalgia involved from the old days
 
Thundercat

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C99 is an awesome sativa dom strain with a sativa high that will consistently finish in about 10 weeks. I grew the female seeds version, I’ve read great reviews about the Mosca seeds version as well.
 
Sublime4tna

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Here are some pure African sativa I’ve been working with these for almost two years and they take awhile but are definitely worth it, right now they’re in week 7 of flowering and will probably go another 7 judging on last crops
 

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Ace's golden tiger and malawi sound VERY interesting. Have heard good things about destroyer by CBG as well. But if you want landraces only malawi and panama from ace may be a good choice. Zamadelica is a cross but it has very rare genetics from reunion island.
 
yesum

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Tropical Seeds, Real Seed Co, Snowhigh Seeds are few more I have tried. I have tried most all of the landrace breeders.

C99 from FDM is the closest I have had to tripping out into outer space. I selected a pheno of it and over did the smoke by 2x of my usual. So 6 tokes. You can google FDM as I do not want to be arsed to get that now.

Panama Red from Snowhigh was almost like shrooms with selected pheno and low tolerance. Dr Greenthumb has a similar good PR in fem seed. I grew out a couple.

I have some Golden Tiger seeds but have not had a chance to pop them yet. ACE has many good options now. I have their Old Timers Haze, Guatemala which I was underwhelmed with, Honduras which I liked at first then meh, Zamaldelica which I have not run yet but is supposed to be very crazy smoke.

Michoacan from Snowhigh is my overall favorite smoke. Trippy enough and euphoric quite often. C99 is legit. Panama Red is great. If you can find f2 seeds, Chimera's Highland Mexican x Blueberry is legit with the right pheno. Quite like the Panama Red in effect. If none around now there will be in the future as the demand is there.
 
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I try to harvest before amber resin appears. Helps the soaring effect, tripped out effect. ^^ No idea on the SM Haze, but the USC Colombian Gold '72 was good. I am gonna pop the pack of Colombian Gold '72 from Snowhigh next. He says it was from a guy he knew and not the same as the USC stuff.

If you want the plants to mature faster use a 9/15 lights schedule and pick them as soon as some resin glands turn milky. Thank me later. Cut the plant whole and dry it slow like that. Even better is stop watering the plant and keep it in the dark. It will cure right in the pot. Takes a few weeks to dry out properly with that method.
 
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