The Impeachment Of Donald Trump

gwheels

gwheels

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The longer it goes on the more heinous it appears too. It is not really a smear campaign so much as a he actually did this...think about it campaign.

The whole world is watching...that is for sure.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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it's been a rude awakening for a lot of people. many of us thought this wasn't possible, that there couldn't possible be enough stupid people to elect trump, and technically, there weren't. he won because of the ridiculous electoral system we have. the actual votes of the people do not matter in America, the votes of the Electors who are picked by political parties are what count....
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

just look at the first and last sections...that's how they get picked, and how they can change their loyalties with no warning and vote against the people of their own states...that's how trump got into office, faithless electors. what an appropriate name for people who ignored the trust placed in them...i wonder what it cost trump to buy their votes, and steal the election?
 
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mooray

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Pisses me off that he's ruined the careers of old school proper government workers, the selfless ones that have committed their entire careers and lives to something they believe in, then this fatshit spoiled brat comes in like a white trash tornado and sends them packing. These are people that have worked with everyone back to Reagan. They're not partisan and have done great work, but unfortunately that's the problem. Trump needs people that are partisan and are willing to compromise their integrity for him. He's level ten unAmerian and such a giant piece of shit.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
it's been a rude awakening for a lot of people. many of us thought this wasn't possible, that there couldn't possible be enough stupid people to elect trump, and technically, there weren't. he won because of the ridiculous electoral system we have. the actual votes of the people do not matter in America, the votes of the Electors who are picked by political parties are what count....
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

just look at the first and last sections...that's how they get picked, and how they can change their loyalties with no warning and vote against the people of their own states...that's how trump got into office, faithless electors. what an appropriate name for people who ignored the trust placed in them...i wonder what it cost trump to buy their votes, and steal the election?
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I am not aware of any electoral member that voted against their state's popular vote in 2016.
 
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mooray

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Here we go:

Historical U.S. Presidential Elections 1789-2020 - 270toWin

View a map, results and history from each of the 59 prior U.S. presidential elections.
www.270towin.com www.270towin.com
There were seven faithless presidential electors. Aside from 1872 - death of Horace Greeley - it is the greatest number since electors began casting one vote each for president and vice president (12th Amendment, 1804). Three additional faithless votes, one each in Colorado, Maine and Minnesota, were disallowed.
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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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generally, i'm in favor of leniency to service people, they're in tough situations, with lead flying, and enemies trying to kill them....none of these cases seem that way to me...all of these cases seem like they were or were going to be proven, and trump stepped in to give a message to American service people...that it's ok to murder people as long as you're wearing an American uniform..

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/15/780029994/trump-pardons-2-service-members-accused-of-war-crimes-and-restores-anothers-rank

THIS is the behaviour trump rewards? these are the people who he thinks deserve a pardon? an officer who ordered his men to kill unarmed men? an officer who murdered a man he was supposed to be interrogating? an officer who posed with the corpse of an enemy combatant, like he was a trophy animal ? these are the kind of soldiers trump thinks we need?

"In the White House statement, press secretary Grisham underscored the notion that Trump will have the last word on military justice.
"The President, as Commander-in-Chief, is ultimately responsible for ensuring that the law is enforced and when appropriate, that mercy is granted," she wrote."

wow, could we have a more unqualified person in the position?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
generally, i'm in favor of leniency to service people, they're in tough situations, with lead flying, and enemies trying to kill them....none of these cases seem that way to me...all of these cases seem like they were or were going to be proven, and trump stepped in to give a message to American service people...that it's ok to murder people as long as you're wearing an American uniform..

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/15/780029994/trump-pardons-2-service-members-accused-of-war-crimes-and-restores-anothers-rank

THIS is the behaviour trump rewards? these are the people who he thinks deserve a pardon? an officer who ordered his men to kill unarmed men? an officer who murdered a man he was supposed to be interrogating? an officer who posed with the corpse of an enemy combatant, like he was a trophy animal ? these are the kind of soldiers trump thinks we need?

"In the White House statement, press secretary Grisham underscored the notion that Trump will have the last word on military justice.
"The President, as Commander-in-Chief, is ultimately responsible for ensuring that the law is enforced and when appropriate, that mercy is granted," she wrote."

wow, could we have a more unqualified person in the position?
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Trump is trying to numb everyone so when he pardons Stone he can justify it to his cult. He wanted to pardon Blago for trying to get his for selling Obama's seat. He pardoned the Sheriff for his racist driven abuse of people in his care. And the internet troll.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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hanimmal said:
Trump is trying to numb everyone so when he pardons Stone he can justify it to his cult. He wanted to pardon Blago for trying to get his for selling Obama's seat. He pardoned the Sheriff for his racist driven abuse of people in his care. And the internet troll.
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you keep attaching logical reasoning to things that trump does...you can't do that....when you're trying to understand insanity, logical thinking doesn't get you anywhere. i think he pardoned those people because he thinks they did exactly what they are accused of, and he want more service people to do those kinds of things....he wants our military to be a band of trained killers he can use to eliminate his personal opponents, without any questions, and the more people like this that he has to work with, the better he likes it...self preservation, a basic instinct...no higher reasoning necessary
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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hanimmal said:
Trump is trying to numb everyone so when he pardons Stone he can justify it to his cult. He wanted to pardon Blago for trying to get his for selling Obama's seat. He pardoned the Sheriff for his racist driven abuse of people in his care. And the internet troll.
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If he pardons Stone that means Roger is free and clear, but with no 5th amendment protection, this makes him extraordinarily vulnerable as a witness against Trump. The only use Roger would be for a deal is to testify against Trump at the impeachment trial and the trial won't go into the Russian business covered by Mueller. Roger would have many grand jury, congressional hearings and blue ribbon panels ahead of him and a pardoned Roger Stone would be naked without his 5th amendment rights. Donald would have to trust Roger to lie for him after he pardons him, would you trust Roger? Besides, Donald and Roger were part of a criminal conspiracy together, his pardon for these crimes that directly implicate the president might not hold up in the SCOTUS.

I think this shit has been explained in detail to Trump by his lawyers and it's the kind of information he pays attention to and can absorb. There are no advantages to Trump for pardoning anybody involved in these conspiracies and too many disadvantages, except for family (maybe), everybody gets tossed under the bus. What if Donald has a nervous collapse and is incapable of pardoning anybody, even his family? The only one who might have a signed pardon in his pocket already is Bill Barr, at least he better have one, or he's gonna go to prison. Even a pardon won't save him from the inherent powers of congress and 10 years in the congressional jail though.

These clowns are gonna be desperate and will try to steal the election if they can in 2020, if they lose it all, they will all end up in prison.
 
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