The Loafter
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Under the electrical charachteristics
How many EB Gen 2 strips 1mx1m?
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cobshopgrow
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ah nice in the the fine print.
but first please consider.
" voltage across the module" and 1212ham ´s note.
The insulation should also do fine, first there is air gap of for sure more then 0.001 inch and there is solderstop, min 1kv rated.
Also check the IEC 62031:2014.
To me it looks like a kind of Low Voltage Directive, 30 Vrms or 60 VDC are considered as dangerous voltages.
So a manufactorer cant write anything else in his datasheet, same should be true for almost all strips out there.
Our bare board led setups are far away from any IP rating anyway, that would be my bigger concern.
I wil not start a safety discussion, everyone who do DIY Led builds should know what he do.
Last but not least, i have these strips working, no sparks, but i know a bit what i do.
but first please consider.
" voltage across the module" and 1212ham ´s note.
The insulation should also do fine, first there is air gap of for sure more then 0.001 inch and there is solderstop, min 1kv rated.
Also check the IEC 62031:2014.
To me it looks like a kind of Low Voltage Directive, 30 Vrms or 60 VDC are considered as dangerous voltages.
So a manufactorer cant write anything else in his datasheet, same should be true for almost all strips out there.
Our bare board led setups are far away from any IP rating anyway, that would be my bigger concern.
I wil not start a safety discussion, everyone who do DIY Led builds should know what he do.
Last but not least, i have these strips working, no sparks, but i know a bit what i do.
cobshopgrow
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same for the regular eb2/3
thats more a thing ,like hey we allow just 60V, then required tests for CE/FCC are lower in demand.
thats more a thing ,like hey we allow just 60V, then required tests for CE/FCC are lower in demand.
Solventlesstech
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I am in the middle of a build with some gen2 strips. I only found out about the 60v max after I bought everything, including a cc 700ma driver. I've seen a bunch of people building lights with these strips in series with no issues. Digikey cant help explain, I've sent a couple emails to bridgelux with no reply. Is this just something people are disregarding? Or maybe something bridgelux wrote to save their ass just in case?
cobshopgrow
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Consider that the EB2 are longer on the market and many builds had been done above 60V with them.
Everything below 60V is considered to be a safe voltage for everyone and need no further protection.
If you sell bare board electronic components , which these strips are and mark them with CE/FCC you need to state some like this.
I didnt found anything regardings this "problem" in a Samsung F-strip datasheet, while i also didnt found any note about CE or FCC,, just lead free (ROHS).
All these boards, strips, aluminium or fr4 share the same problem and fr4 should be the absolute safest to use, no conductive at all (practically it wont matter).
If you feel uncomfortable, i would start thinking of how to insulate the open points further, maybe some clear nail paint can give you some confidence.
Consider 2 more things, you need to touch + and - of the menawell drivers out to get shocked and consder what ham1212 said, "voltage from which point to which point?"
Everything below 60V is considered to be a safe voltage for everyone and need no further protection.
If you sell bare board electronic components , which these strips are and mark them with CE/FCC you need to state some like this.
I didnt found anything regardings this "problem" in a Samsung F-strip datasheet, while i also didnt found any note about CE or FCC,, just lead free (ROHS).
All these boards, strips, aluminium or fr4 share the same problem and fr4 should be the absolute safest to use, no conductive at all (practically it wont matter).
If you feel uncomfortable, i would start thinking of how to insulate the open points further, maybe some clear nail paint can give you some confidence.
Consider 2 more things, you need to touch + and - of the menawell drivers out to get shocked and consder what ham1212 said, "voltage from which point to which point?"
Solventlesstech
Member
Thanks man, this is the answer I was looking for. I'll just keep chugging along with my build
cobshopgrow
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it will do!
But of course always better safe then sorry, cant hurt to apply some pvc tape here n there and or isolate the connections even further.
there is also liquid rubber avaiable if you wanna go crazy
But of course always better safe then sorry, cant hurt to apply some pvc tape here n there and or isolate the connections even further.
there is also liquid rubber avaiable if you wanna go crazy
Solventlesstech
Member
Ya man I may use some of that. I have liquid electrical tape at work. Thanks again!it will do!
But of course always better safe then sorry, cant hurt to apply some pvc tape here n there and or isolate the connections even further.
there is also liquid rubber avaiable if you wanna go crazy
cobshopgrow
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perfect! choose a IP rating yourself, haha.
Rocket Soul
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Cobs, what putting a drop of silicon in the connector?
cobshopgrow
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plasti dip f.e.
you wanna use silicone? why not go for it but not "in" the connector would say, dont think you ment that, haha.
i mean silicone is a glue, consider that, its one time use, never remove, the plasti dip etc. you can peel of (!), nail paint can be dissolved, not sure about silicone.
you wanna use silicone? why not go for it
but not "in" the connector would say, dont think you ment that, haha.i mean silicone is a glue, consider that, its one time use, never remove, the plasti dip etc. you can peel of (!), nail paint can be dissolved, not sure about silicone.