Stress, nanners and giving a fu*k

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Hey all,
This grow might be a journal, I've documented it well and had my fair share of set backs and obstacles that's for sure.
Recently, after a res exchange and clean I must have bumped my tent into one of my light timers and it was unfortunately stuck ON for about 5 days before I noticed. This is in about week 8 of flower by the way, needless to say she got a bit upset about this and threw out some nanners... I'm not overly upset about this as I've never seem them before and I found it very interesting at least. After about a week I decided to pluck the ones I could see, my guess is she threw about 20-30 nanners and I know I haven't got them all.. My understanding of what a nanner is, is the u protected stanem of the male flower.. That is the part which produces and holds the pollen.. Although one could argue that there is no pollen evident and even upon Inspection with a microscope I was unable to see any pollen on the nanners that I plucked of varying ages. Anyone have some more info on that?
Some reports out there do state that there is a chance your nanners will be sterile and not pollinate your buds, other reports instruct people to put their entire plant into a fire/trash which I personally think is ludicrous.
I'm keeping her going, she's only 3 weeks away from harvest and I really cannot see any evidence of seeds. My questions are:
1) Have you developed seeds from nanners? If so how severe was it and did it really ruin your plant?
2) how do you tell if a seed is developing inside a calyx?
3) stress is not coppied and passed through genetics so, I presume these seeds would be healthy and feminised and unlikely to throw nanners if grown in ideal conditions.

Nice to have your thoughts and experience on this interesting characteristic, Cheers.

 

[Boatguy]

Just pick off what you can. I would rather have mature bud with seeds than early without.
A few seeds wont ruin anything. I personally wouldnt grow them if they came from a plant that hermed

 

[gliss]

Hey all,
This grow might be a journal, I've documented it well and had my fair share of set backs and obstacles that's for sure.
Recently, after a res exchange and clean I must have bumped my tent into one of my light timers and it was unfortunately stuck ON for about 5 days before I noticed. This is in about week 8 of flower by the way, needless to say she got a bit upset about this and threw out some nanners... I'm not overly upset about this as I've never seem them before and I found it very interesting at least. After about a week I decided to pluck the ones I could see, my guess is she threw about 20-30 nanners and I know I haven't got them all.. My understanding of what a nanner is, is the u protected stanem of the male flower.. That is the part which produces and holds the pollen.. Although one could argue that there is no pollen evident and even upon Inspection with a microscope I was unable to see any pollen on the nanners that I plucked of varying ages. Anyone have some more info on that?
Some reports out there do state that there is a chance your nanners will be sterile and not pollinate your buds, other reports instruct people to put their entire plant into a fire/trash which I personally think is ludicrous.
I'm keeping her going, she's only 3 weeks away from harvest and I really cannot see any evidence of seeds. My questions are:
1) Have you developed seeds from nanners? If so how severe was it and did it really ruin your plant?
2) how do you tell if a seed is developing inside a calyx?
3) stress is not coppied and passed through genetics so, I presume these seeds would be healthy and feminised and unlikely to throw nanners if grown in ideal conditions.

Nice to have your thoughts and experience on this interesting characteristic, Cheers.

1) No, I have and no personal experience with hermies or seeds in my buds (yet) so I am just essentially telling you what I have picked up from scouring other people's issues on the forums over the last few years combined with my own common sense obviously. I do not believe nanners will completely ruin anything & if I did get them on one of my plants I would be bummed for sure but I would do exactly what you did and just try to pick as many as I could find before they matured.

2) Besides the calyx becoming more swelled or the actual visibility of the seeds themselves it is almost impossible to tell a bud that has a seed (or multiple seeds) in it from a bud that does not. You need to be attuned to the more subtle signals of calyx swelling and maybe comparing calyxes that seem more swelled on one flower to another calyx on a different flower might be a good help in indicating whether or not a particular flower/calyx has a seed. Also, if your flowers seems abnormally heavy that could be another little indicator, but even with my experience in smoking & handling buds with seeds inside them - it is tough to tell! If you are trying to rely on visual indicators be aware that when seeds begin growing they are not brown but green because they are immature, so they'll likely blend in well and be tough to spot.

3) Yep, I don't believe your incident of stress had any effect on influencing any further hermaphroditic traits in these seeds. You are completely right in assuming that the seeds would be feminized because your female plant pollinated itself. The seeds should be viable and if anything, should be looked at as the silver lining at the end of this incident because now you should have some good seeds to use in the future. The only catch is you won't know how many until you start breaking up your flowers to smoke.

Good luck with everything, your plant looks frosty and beautiful!

 

[Budzbuddha]

Rodelized

 

[CannaCountry]

1. Yes. It wasn't that bad...maybe 15 seeds over 4 plants. It happens.
2. The calyx will swell, the pistils will turn brown / amber / orange and as the seed matures, the calyx will split, revealing the seed. If you're paying attention to the general structure of the flowers, you'll notice the seeds pretty handily.
3. True, stress is not copied via your genetics, but rest assured if you're developing seed from a plant with hermaphroditic traits, these traits, to some extent, will be passed down to the offspring. While the new seeds will be female, they may also exhibit the same trait that made them as such.

Just pick off what male flowers you can...unless you get the itch to do some breeding...and roll with it. You'll be fine. Good luck.

 

[Intastella99]

1. Yes. It wasn't that bad...maybe 15 seeds over 4 plants. It happens.
2. The calyx will swell, the pistils will turn brown / amber / orange and as the seed matures, the calyx will split, revealing the seed. If you're paying attention to the general structure of the flowers, you'll notice the seeds pretty handily.
3. True, stress is not copied via your genetics, but rest assured if you're developing seed from a plant with hermaphroditic traits, these traits, to some extent, will be passed down to the offspring. While the new seeds will be female, they may also exhibit the same trait that made them as such.

Just pick off what male flowers you can...unless you get the itch to do some breeding...and roll with it. You'll be fine. Good luck.

So i bread/crossed about 20,30? plus genetics with this by accident(always doing mixed grows and missed some male flowers on a hermie) and let´s say about 98% came out as pure nice females. Gave them to several friends during the last 10 to 15 years and no one complained about it.

IF anyone is up for some seed exchanges just let me know

 

[CanadianJim]

1. Yes. It wasn't that bad...maybe 15 seeds over 4 plants. It happens.
2. The calyx will swell, the pistils will turn brown / amber / orange and as the seed matures, the calyx will split, revealing the seed. If you're paying attention to the general structure of the flowers, you'll notice the seeds pretty handily.
3. True, stress is not copied via your genetics, but rest assured if you're developing seed from a plant with hermaphroditic traits, these traits, to some extent, will be passed down to the offspring. While the new seeds will be female, they may also exhibit the same trait that made them as such.

Just pick off what male flowers you can...unless you get the itch to do some breeding...and roll with it. You'll be fine. Good luck.

This, mostly.
2. You can stick a pin or needle into a swollen calyx and if it goes in without encountering the developing shell of a seed there prob is no seed.
3. Light stress absolutely can cause a hermie, I did it deliberately once. If you have a stress hermie the offspring will be prone to going herme from stress, but if grown well will all be female.
Good luck, and I'm glad to see another grower on here who doesn't just chuck a hermie plant.

 

[Intastella99]

Oh nice. The Idea with the needle is super and very easy to use.

Of course not. Last time i realised it to late(after seeing some pollen flying through the air) i thought than at least i´m gonna get some more seeds and let them get mature. And yes it definetly had been worth it. They look super strong with many tiger stripes and a healthy look. This time it´s all crossed with a Dela Haze from Paradise Seeds.