House and garden coco nutes for promix.? Am I dumb or is my boss?

[Renfro]

I would run the numbers for both the H&G products, soil and coco and compare them. Perhaps compare them to other nutes as well.

One thing thats apparent to me is that those bottles are much more watered down than the GH products I have used. Like 8 - 10 times more watered down.

 

[Renfro]

Hope all that helps you sorts things out. I would personally ditch that whole line and go with GH Flora 3 part, but thats just me and my 30 years of growing with it I guess.

 

[Maineconnect]

No you make very valid points. Unfortunately I’m already having to teach the people I’m working with to dial back salinity and always log and track inflow solution and outflow solution and pay attention to differentials. They don’t agree with my to much CaMg hypothesis and changing nutrients right now would be to much for such a young relationship. I believe firmly that we can have great success with H&g and I don’t want to give up I’d like to get it down and I know it’s all about NER and if that analysis on those bases is everything that’s in there I agree with you 100.

Thank you my friend for your feedback if you can think of anything else that might help me don’t hesitate..
Until I have an epiphany I’m running base nutes and p and k boosters at a softer ec and ditching any CaMg I find along the way in the additives

 

[Maineconnect]

I just know in my gut that running coco specific nutes in pro mix is asking for trouble as pro mix does not have the same relationship coco has with Ca Mg and K

 

[Maineconnect]

Longest thread I’ve had on roll it up thanks everybody!

 

[Renfro]

Yeah their labels are definitely not complete, calcium nitrate as you mentioned but they don't list calcium.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Yeah their labels are definitely not complete, calcium nitrate as you mentioned but they don't list calcium.

I've been told by H&G reps that their labels are not accurate because they sell them in different countries and states, which each have different labeling requirements. My understanding is that the ratios are correct, but perhaps not the total percentages.

 

[Renfro]

My understanding is that the ratios are correct

Yeah and the ratios only tell NPK. I would avoid using products that I can't quantify for calculation of elemental PPM.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Yeah and the ratios only tell NPK. I would avoid using products that I can't quantify for calculation of elemental PPM.

Yeah, I only ever used it when I got some samples a few years ago. I didn't like the lack of specific info.

 

[Maineconnect]

Check the pH of the promix in the pots.

According to a calibrated blue lab ph meter we tend to sit 6.4-6.7 soil ph which for flower I think is too high but ec is my main concern. Maybe I should drop ph after transition swing from 6.5-6.6 in transition then drop to 6.1-6.3 in the later production weeks.
before we flip I might add plants spend 2 weeks in there finishing containers under cmh

 

[Maineconnect]

Yeah and the ratios only tell NPK. I would avoid using products that I can't quantify for calculation of elemental PPM.

Exactly. I’ve been trying to get a rep on the phone for almost a week to tell me what micros are in base. Trying to get a hold of my local rep because the rep that I got just didn’t have a clue

 

[a mongo frog]

I just googled the labels
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Are you getting The NPK 4-3-9? Thats what I'm seeing. Pretty sure thats a pretty good NPk for what the op is doing.

 

[Renfro]

Are you getting The NPK 4-3-9? Thats what I'm seeing. Pretty sure thats a pretty good NPk for what the op is doing.

Thats only a part of the picture. As I mentioned earlier...

Yeah and the ratios only tell NPK. I would avoid using products that I can't quantify for calculation of elemental PPM.

What about micros, calcium, magnesium? They gotta be there but they aren't quantified. They list Calcium Nitrate but they don't have a percentage for calcium.

 

[Maineconnect]

Calcium is definitely present in this line in abundance. Is it 4-3-9

Are you getting The NPK 4-3-9? Thats what I'm seeing. Pretty sure thats a pretty good NPk for what the op is doing.

Thats only a part of the picture. As I mentioned earlier...



What about micros, calcium, magnesium? They gotta be there but they aren't quantified. They list Calcium Nitrate but they don't have a percentage for calcium.

i agree that the kiddos have to be there I’m just wondering if there in the additives. I wanna drop all extra ca mg moving forward. I’m wondering if there RO stabilizer ( house and garden ) is additional ca mg instructions say bring water to 150 ppm with stabilizer anybody know if this is ca mg? Couldn’t get a straight answer from the rep.... but regardless I’m sure there’s micros in the base and I may just ditch all additives except for p and k boosters

 

[70's natureboy]

It sounds like an adventure using unknown nutes with unknown quantities of nutes and secret stabilizer. It's like flying while blind, you just don't know where you will end up. At least it's medical weed so somebody will buy it anyway. The reputable nute companies put everythinng on the label.

 

[Maineconnect]

It sounds like an adventure using unknown nutes with unknown quantities of nutes and secret stabilizer. It's like flying while blind, you just don't know where you will end up. At least it's medical weed so somebody will buy it anyway. The reputable nute companies put everythinng on the label.

Listen, I couldn’t agree with you more.
I’ve never run house and garden nor would I.
My hands are tied and I am working at a new facility and yes they are having major problems after transition and problems in veg as well I’ve got foundational ideas to correct things. If you have advise in regards to what’s going on I’m all ears but I don’t need to hear what I already agree with I need to shoot from the hip with the nutrients we’re running

 

[Maineconnect]

It sounds like an adventure using unknown nutes with unknown quantities of nutes and secret stabilizer. It's like flying while blind, you just don't know where you will end up. At least it's medical weed so somebody will buy it anyway. The reputable nute companies put everythinng on the label.

I believe a good grower can run any nutrient line with success.
It’s the magician not the wand.

 

[a mongo frog]

I’m just wondering if there in the additives.

The Multi Zen Is the enzyme. I use it the first 4 weeks of flower. I would get rid of i think its called top booster pk 13/14 type additive.