Rapid LED far-red questions

iShatterBladderz

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Yeah most definiely, i'm hunting through Chasca (Super Silver Haze Bx2 x Chemdog Bx3) by lucky dog that might make it in time for the grow log. Otherwise ill just go through my bank and pop some more beans and get the cycle going again.

I don't have a par meter right now, I'm pretty much spent after this weeks sales. Picked up a new macbook air, the dragon s, a bunch of beans, 2 QB 96 and some amendments. What par meter do you use or recommend? Was checking some out the other day ball park 500 ish?
Ah, yeah I understand that for sure. I work in sales and this year was a bit slow in November, so I wasn’t able to do my usual Black Friday spending but I did spend a few hundred on seeds that I probably shouldn’t have lol.

if was in the market for a par meter, I would go with the Apogee MQ-500. RapidLED sells them for $525 and then coupon code “dude” will get you $52 bucks off, so probably about $520 after tax. It is a bit of an investment just to do a more precise review of a light fixture, although a good PAR meter can definitely be used moving forward in terms of making sure your lights are at the right distance/strength for the grow phase you’re in, and making sure all your plants are getting adequate light. I don’t have one myself, despite the fact I’m currently doing a test run with one of Mars Hydro’s new lights. A buddy of mine has a cheap one, I think it was about $150, it’s a hydro farm I believe. It does the job too, but I don’t think it’s terribly accurate as readings will vary in the same exact spot and distance, but it’s a relatively small variance, so it would probably suffice. if I was buying one myself though, I would get the Apogee.
 

Nugbender

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Scynce did a par reading test with an aogee but since it has a 120 degree optics for light it messes with the readings.

 

iShatterBladderz

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Scynce did a par reading test with an aogee but since it has a 120 degree optics for light it messes with the readings.

Yeah, you have to measure light a little bit different when it’s angled like that but you can still use the apogee. The apogee actually has an angle correction cosine programmed in, for corrections of 75 degree angles. IIRC, if you connect the mq-500 via USB, you can modify the angle of the cosine. To do this, you would take measurements of lighting by holding the sensor at an angle, and whichever angle gets the strongest reading, that’s what you would want to program you light to correct for. You might message apogee before purchasing to make sure I’m not thinking of another light that allows for changing the cosine, but I do know it’s set for 75 degree angle by default. If that’s not possible, they do have other sensors out there that record over a larger area, helping to negate the variance caused by the angle of the lighting.

this is actually what I was talking about when I said I thought some of their specs were a bit wonky, I think they probably got a bit confused in correcting for angles with the PAR levels. if it’s not calibrated correctly for the angles, it will show both levels that are too high and levels that are too low. What made me suspect they had troubles, was that their spec sheet claims efficacy of 1.87 umol/j at 450 watts of total power, which would equal out to a total of ~850 umol/s at full power. Which, funny enough, is what they actually list as the lights total output. Somehow their density readings though, we got some a hundred or so extra photons without adding any extra power, at a further distance and over a wider area. The lens they are using could increase photon density by concentrating the light through the lens, but this would be at the loss of coverage area as it’s concentrating the light into a more narrow beam. The lenses they use are doing the opposite, they’re spreading the photons over a wider area, which would in turn lead to slightly lower photon density but over a wider area. i did look at their site, it seems their other lights use diodes that are rated at 2.15 umol/j, so it’s possible that spec sheet you sent is using older data and they actually went with diodes that have a higher efficacy rating, or they could have confused results between different models at well.

either way, I’m excited to see how it does for you. It definitely looks promising. Even if I’m correct, 850 umol is enough to get the job done well, and I’m sure as you experiment with it, you can get more out of the Watts you’re using as you play with which spectrums encourage better growth in which life stages of the plant.
 
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Nugbender

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Damn, you just took it to another level. I'm still learning conversions of umol/j to umol/s to total power, yeah from what I was seeing the spread is more dispersed. Putting into factor of multiple lights range of coverage to overlap each other. As far as the apogee cosine programming I didn't know that was a feature, ill reach out the the team when i'm ready to grab a par meter. What light set up are you running right now and will you be running for your experiments brother?
 

christopher jordan

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HAHA! SUPPLEMENTAL Rgb Boards Heeeare. Getchur 3.0 umol/j, latest in technology today.
These boards have many uses so you get so muchmore then what you paid for.
Ex: -they make great light up door-matts.
-awesome X-Mass Tree lights for a big tree.
-They spin, creating quite the disco party effect.
-Comes with x3 free Strobing 200w rgb led cases so you can fool the neighborhood n start the gossip by plugging them in on your doorstep to simulate x5 cop cars in front of your house.
-oh, they will also work for supplementing plain white leds, with 75% red in the 630/660/730 range, tiny bit of 470, & if you van get the green diodes on a seperate switch then you'll have green lights to view room after lights off .
Ya, i just put way to much time into that lol!
Tell me more. LOL
 

iShatterBladderz

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Damn, you just took it to another level. I'm still learning conversions of umol/j to umol/s to total power, yeah from what I was seeing the spread is more dispersed. Putting into factor of multiple lights range of coverage to overlap each other. As far as the apogee cosine programming I didn't know that was a feature, ill reach out the the team when i'm ready to grab a par meter. What light set up are you running right now and will you be running for your experiments brother?
I’ve got a 480w qb w/3500k lm301h and Cree 660nm diodes in a 4x4, 240w qb w/ 3000k Lm301b diodes in a 2x4, and a Mars Hydro sp250 in a 2x4. I would swap out the mars with another Lm301b qb if I were to run the experiment.
 

Zipz55

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Scynce LED is having a blow out sale on their Dragon S Turbo. I just placed an order for mine the other day and am waiting patiently for it! Full control of spectrums through their "Theia" app from your phone and is 100% water proof. You could literally keep this light underwater and it would still be working. Super stoked to have this is the garden! Patented 120 degree optics so its coverage is much more even compared to other led's that are more directly over the plant.
whats the temps like in the tent with the Dragon Turbo?

im looking to buy a new light since i cant seem to get my temps below 88 degrees running the QB96s

im interested in the Dragon Turbo because it has active cooling
 
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Nugbender

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whats the temps like in the tent with the Dragon Turbo?

im looking to buy a new since i cant seem to get my temps below 88 degrees running the QB96s

im interested in the Dragon Turbo because it has active cooling
You can control the power to the % I currently have them running at 60% power and its at 80F, my ladies are stretching and just laid down a trellis and bending them over to make room. Currently at week 2 of flower, the active fan is also adjustable to the % and I only have it running @ 15%
 

Zipz55

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You can control the power to the % I currently have them running at 60% power and its at 80F, my ladies are stretching and just laid down a trellis and bending them over to make room. Currently at week 2 of flower, the active fan is also adjustable to the % and I only have it running @ 15%
thanks,that’s exactly what I needed to hear

just ordered one :bigjoint:
 

Zipz55

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@Nugbender How are you liking the Dragon S Turbo?

Mines performed so well I was waiting til 4/20 to get the Dragon SL or Alpha on sale but sadly Scynce isnt having a 4/20 sale

I still might preorder the Alpha anyway
 

rawnature

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where are you getting your far reds from? Did you diy or buy something like the rapid led that i got. im using mine in 4x4 i guess i need two of them but ill see how 1 does. guess i just like to make shit harder since i havnt connected it to a timer and then get mad that i had it on late lol
 

Bosgrower

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Unless you're growing lettuce or spinach you really don't want to run 730/735nm lights during the day. For leafy greens, that's great ... for cannabis and other flowering plants you'll cause excessive stretch. For our (cannabis growers) purposes, about 15 minutes a day at/after lights out stimulate the plants to go into night mode very quickly instead of the 2 hours it takes without the far red. As a result, you can run flower in a 13/11 light cycle and shorten your flower period.
Conversely, 660nm is the plant's wake up call and helps it to transition to the lights on cycle more quickly.
There has been interest in combinig the 630/640nm and 700nm wavelengths durng lights on but as far as I know, the benefits are still indeterminate.
 
this conversation is the growing edge. i’ve spent a minute experimenting with sub-spectral a/b/c, i now get to start playing with the 700-730 as well? Fuckin Wild! Isn’t nature beautiful...
As always i remain a grateful student. Grateful to all of my teachers here in the emerald triangle, to my teachers on YT, and to my teachers on this forum. yet again you have taught me something new... Far Red Bitches! The Alpha is en-route! Come to me Dragon, come quickly!
 

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Damn, you just took it to another level. I'm still learning conversions of umol/j to umol/s to total power, yeah from what I was seeing the spread is more dispersed. Putting into factor of multiple lights range of coverage to overlap each other. As far as the apogee cosine programming I didn't know that was a feature, ill reach out the the team when i'm ready to grab a par meter. What light set up are you running right now and will you be running for your experiments brother?
I would either wait till Bruce perfects the MQ-620 To be used with Bulbs accurately. Meaning new model.
Or get the 620 for today's leds measuring outside normalized 400-700nm par region. I have it & it works.
 

Stoned Whale

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So now this thread is over a year old. What are peoples opinions on this far fed effects?

Have people tried doing 13-14 hours lights on with the put to sleep effect? Does the extra 8-16% light / electricity use appear to give anywhere near this in extra yield? Faster finishing?

I read far red has negative effects on stretch So only use for say last 4 weeks flowering I guess if this Emerson effect works well in cannabis?

I am intrigued by fuller spectrum. But I question why more people aren’t after this and more manufacturers don’t include it, if the effects are so pronounced.
 
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