Is 1600w too much for a 5x5?

[jonnynobody]

I'm running a 1000w and a 600w over my 5x5 canopy. 7 clones and 1 feminized maui waui grown from seed in the middle. I'm only running feminized seeds after this flower cycle. Clones just don't produce like a plant grown from seed and I consider them a waste of time. Next cycle I'm expanding to 7x7 and running 9 plants all feminized grown from seed.

Posted some pics of my flower room. Feel free to criticize anything.

 

[Craigson]

Its a bit overkill on light but not bad.

Throw 100 clones in there and pull 3+lbs probably more

 

[jonnynobody]

Its a bit overkill on light but not bad.

Throw 100 clones in there and pull 3+lbs probably more

How does one water 100 plants? I bitch about watering the 17 plants I've got in veg and flower total. Without an automated system it seems like watering would be very difficult. My goal is to get up to 12 in flower and 12 in veg on a constant rotation to generate a harvest every 80-85 days including dry time. My target harvest weight on my next flower cycle is 2lbs with 6 hash plant and 3 random females grown from seed. They will veg for nearly 3 months before they enter the flower room to finish up. I won't be able to hit 3lbs until I get 12 in the flower room each cycle. One step at a time. Or one cycle at a time I should say.

 

[Mullalulla]

I'm running a 1000w and a 600w over my 5x5 canopy. 7 clones and 1 feminized maui waui grown from seed in the middle. I'm only running feminized seeds after this flower cycle. Clones just don't produce like a plant grown from seed and I consider them a waste of time. Next cycle I'm expanding to 7x7 and running 9 plants all feminized grown from seed.

Posted some pics of my flower room. Feel free to criticize anything.

And you lost me right there. Lol.

 

[Craigson]

How does one water 100 plants? I bitch about watering the 17 plants I've got in veg and flower total. Without an automated system it seems like watering would be very difficult. My goal is to get up to 12 in flower and 12 in veg on a constant rotation to generate a harvest every 80-85 days including dry time. My target harvest weight on my next flower cycle is 2lbs with 6 hash plant and 3 random females grown from seed. They will veg for nearly 3 months before they enter the flower room to finish up. I won't be able to hit 3lbs until I get 12 in the flower room each cycle. One step at a time. Or one cycle at a time I should say.

Ya watering 100 plants sucks. Did it once.
Now i switched to a notill bed w blumats

 

[StareCase]

... Clones just don't produce like a plant grown from seed and I consider them a waste of time ...

... And you lost me right there ...

I second that thought Mulla - yields & potency are just as good as the original mommy. On generation #5 and just started Week 5 of flower. Colas look like corn dogs and the tent is filled with amazing "bud-stink."

Jonny ... did you have a bad experience cloning?

 

[jonnynobody]

And you lost me right there. Lol.

Ok

 

[Mullalulla]

Ok

Lol. I love dudes like you.

aka

"Hey dudes, I would never use a HPS for yield ... blurples are the way to go .. HPS just cant grow the yield I like .. thats why I only grow with blurples"


Thats what you sound like when you start spitting out nonsense like you did above.

"ok"

 

[jonnynobody]

I second that thought Mulla - yields & potency are just as good as the original mommy. On generation #5 and just started Week 5 of flower. Colas look like corn dogs and the tent is filled with amazing "bud-stink."

Jonny ... did you have a bad experience cloning?

Yes. I got some gg4 clones from a guy and I've taken clones from those clones 3 times now. They just don't grow tight nodes. Lots of branch and little flowers. Maybe it's just a shitty cut of gg4 and I'm being unfair due to this one experience. In the past I've had great experiences growing from clone. This gg4 is just disappointing. It's really my fault for continuing to run a strain that doesn't produce. Not necessarily an issue with all clones.

Seeded plants do grow more robust plants than clones and I seem to get more flower sites from my limited experience.

 

[jonnynobody]

Lol. I love dudes like you.

aka

"Hey dudes, I would never use a HPS for yield ... blurples are the way to go .. HPS just cant grow the yield I like .. thats why I only grow with blurples"


Thats what you sound like when you start spitting out nonsense like you did above.

"ok"

I tend to avoid people like you in the real world. I'll do the same here in the virtual world of RIU. Have a good day.

 

[Mullalulla]

I tend to avoid people like you in the real world. I'll do the same here in the virtual world of RIU. Have a good day.

"I know Im wrong .. but I am happy spouting this bullshit to the world .. I dont give a fuck what anyone else says ..."

You must be a peach in the real world. lol.

 

[StareCase]

... Yes. I got some gg4 clones from a guy and I've taken clones from those clones 3 times now. They just don't grow tight nodes. Lots of branch and little flowers. Maybe it's just a shitty cut of gg4 and I'm being unfair due to this one experience. In the past I've had great experiences growing from clone. This gg4 is just disappointing. It's really my fault for continuing to run a strain that doesn't produce. Not necessarily an issue with all clones.

Seeded plants do grow more robust plants than clones and I seem to get more flower sites from my limited experience.

Thanks for your reasoning - and I appreciate the honest response. Interesting when you consider that lots of growers here on RIU love some of that finished GG4 bud. The two strains that I continue to run - Red Diesel and Blue Cheese - both clone well, yield very well ( ... about 6.5 oz finished per plant grown with blurples ... ) and buzz me (... and my appreciative chums ... ) really well. Three pretty good reasons why I keep growing them.

"Not so tight nodes" is usually indicative of insufficient wattage, insufficient spectrum or both. In your OP, you stated a 1000 watt and a 600 watt light. Are they HID or LED?

 

[StareCase]

Oops ... my bad! I just looked closer at the original pics ...

 

[jonnynobody]

Thanks for your reasoning - and I appreciate the honest response. Interesting when you consider that lots of growers here on RIU love some of that finished GG4 bud. The two strains that I continue to run - Red Diesel and Blue Cheese - both clone well, yield very well ( ... about 6.5 oz finished per plant grown with blurples ... ) and buzz me (... and my appreciative chums ... ) really well. Three pretty good reasons why I keep growing them.

"Not so tight nodes" is usually indicative of insufficient wattage, insufficient spectrum or both. In your OP, you stated a 1000 watt and a 600 watt light. Are they HID or LED?

HID HPS with phantom digital ballasts. To be fair I screwed myself by only flowering 4 at a time with 2 clones in each bucket for a total of 8 clones in 4 five gallon buckets. The clones were so spindly looking I thought putting 2 clones in each bucket would increase branching and yield. I should be flowering 9-12 at a time which was a mistake on my part. I'm transitioning from tent growing to a full room and I'm still trying to iron out the wrinkles. I now have 9 plants in my veg tent and 8 flowering girls. I feel like the net I installed also is unnecessary and I don't plan to use it again.

 

[jonnynobody]

HID HPS with phantom digital ballasts. To be fair I screwed myself by only flowering 4 at a time with 2 clones in each bucket. I should be flowering 9-12 at a time which was a mistake on my part. I'm transitioning from tent growing to a full room and I'm still trying to iron out the wrinkles. I now have 9 plants in my veg tent and 8 flowering girls. I feel like the net I installed also is unnecessary and I dont plan to use it again.

I finally have all the equipment I need and have a smooth system that produces top shelf flower, but I have limited experience maximizing yield in a large room. Breaking outta the tent and growing in a whole room is like a strange new world to me. In the tent the goal was to stuff as many plants in there as I could to maximize yield. I flowered 7 blue dream clones in 5 gallon buckets in a 3×3×6 secret jardin and harvested 13 ounces. The concept is really the same in a big room. Get as many plants in there as you can, and that's where I erred. I simply did not have enough plants in the flower room and it affected my yields. Operator error as usual eh? I realize my comment on clones was unfair. I simply had a bad experience with the cut I received and instead of changing strains I kept running it out of pure laziness and short sightedness. I own that.

I plan to spread out to 8x8 on my next flower cycle and will increase my plant count in veg to 12. Growing pains are a bitch

 

[coreywebster]

I love clones, shaves off a lot of time and unknowns, you must of just had bad luck with that cut fella.

As far as the wattage, as long as your plants are healthy and happy with the intensity and environment then crack on.

Just out of interest do you veg with hps or mh?

 

[jonnynobody]

I veg with an 8 lamp 4' x 4' t5. I have a 600w MH lamp, extra ballast, and air cooled hood that I could toss in the veg tent. The plants really seem to love the t5. I ran the 600 MH once and felt the t5 produced better results with less heat than the MH. MH covers a much larger area though.

 

[StareCase]

... Growing pains are a bitch ...

They sure are. But once you get all of that shit ironed out and you perpetually crank out pretty rocking bud ... all those mistakes were worth it.

... I feel like the net I installed also is unnecessary and I dont plan to use it again ... I plan to spread out to 8x8 on my next flower cycle and will increase my plant count in veg to 12 ...

Looks like you made a pretty good SCROG net - you might wanna rethink that one?

With a 2' x 2' netting, you could get 9 plants in an 8 x 8 with each plant occupying that 2' x 2' footprint and leave 12" between them for basic plant TLC during flowering. Watering, lollipopping, pruning of the underneath ... you know, basic plant TLC. You might also need to beef up the wattage if you are going to an 8 x 8 area. 1600 w in a 64 square foot area equates to 21.5 w/sq foot which is a little on the low side. If you put another 1000 W HPS and distribute the light as even as you can, you'll increase that to 40 w/sq. ft which is more in line with recommended wattages.

... with 2 clones in each bucket ...

I wouldn't recommend multiple plants in a single bucket. 1 plant ... 1 pot.

 

[StareCase]

... I veg with an 8 lamp 4' x 4' t5. I have a 600w MH lamp, extra ballast, and air cooled hood that I could toss in the veg tent. The plants really seem to love the t5. I ran the 600 MH once and felt the t5 produced better results with less heat than the MH. MH covers a much larger area though ...

Years ago I also grew with floros and yielded some nice seedless grape sized nugs. Curious ... how close were the T5 fixtures when you vegged with 'em? Were they Cool White bulbs?

 

[jonnynobody]

They sure are. But once you get all of that shit ironed out and you perpetually crank out pretty rocking bud ... all those mistakes were worth it.


Looks like you made a pretty good SCROG net - you might wanna rethink that one?

With a 2' x 2' netting, you could get 9 plants in an 8 x 8 with each plant occupying that 2' x 2' footprint and leave 12" between them for basic plant TLC during flowering. Watering, lollipopping, pruning of the underneath ... you know, basic plant TLC. You might also need to beef up the wattage if you are going to an 8 x 8 area. 1600 w in a 64 square foot area equates to 21.5 w/sq foot which is a little on the low side. If you put another 1000 W HPS and distribute the light as even as you can, you'll increase that to 40 w/sq. ft which is more in line with recommended wattages.


I wouldn't recommend multiple plants in a single bucket. 1 plant ... 1 pot.

Thank you for the insight. Greatly appreciated! Maybe I won't give up on the scrog net just yet. How far from the top of the 5 gallon bucket should I mount the net? I'm at about 36 inches currently and I think it's too high, but I'm no scrog pro.

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