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Observe & Report

Observe & Report

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macsnax said:
I never found the article I was looking for, you can hit up most fem breeders and they can give you the skinny on it. It's fairly common knowledge among the fem guys.
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Yes I know the fem breeders grow fire but that doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.

Without a real genetic test it's impossible to tell if it's an XY male from contamination or a XX female that is just expressing staminate flowers. Females can spontaneously produce some staminate flowers and females sprayed with STS can express all staminate flowers. I don't doubt that a female can express all staminate flowers spontaneously without grower intervention if the conditions, internal and external, are right.

Next time you find a "male" in your fem pack, send it to Phylos or other lab that does Cannabis sexing. If you know anyone who has done that and posted the results I'd be interested in taking a look! Otherwise it's all a bunch of speculation.


[EDIT: mixed up pistilate and staminate]
 
macsnax

macsnax

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Observe & Report said:
Yes I know the fem breeders grow fire but that doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.

Without a real genetic test it's impossible to tell if it's an XY male from contamination or a XX female that is just expressing staminate flowers. Females can spontaneously produce some staminate flowers and females sprayed with STS can express all staminate flowers. I don't doubt that a female can express all staminate flowers spontaneously without grower intervention if the conditions, internal and external, are right.

Next time you find a "male" in your fem pack, send it to Phylos or other lab that does Cannabis sexing. If you know anyone who has done that and posted the results I'd be interested in taking a look! Otherwise it's all a bunch of speculation.


[EDIT: mixed up pistilate and staminate]
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Talk to some people that are doing this and running large numbers of fems. It's far from speculation when someone who only does fems is seeing this.

You gotta remember we're dealing with a dioecious plant.
 
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eastcoastled

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macsnax said:
Talk to some people that are doing this and running large numbers of fems. It's far from speculation when someone who only does fems is seeing this.

You gotta remember we're dealing with a dioecious plant.
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Only doing fems means they only intend to do fems. It is probably harder to get bugs than pollen cross contamination if these breeders are as diligent as you give them credit for. Not trying to start an argument, just pointing out the basics. Pollen is airborne, not as simple as washing and quarantining clones. In theory, never knowing bugs even exist in your garden is much more likely than never having a stray grain of pollen. This all is based on the thought that breeding fems exclusively is great, but that same breeder is obviously growing Regs also. I’ve had plenty of males get rootbound and drop pollen in veg off a lower branch way in the back and never noticed until it was too late. Iv’e has plenty of unintentional reg bag seeds, and I’m from from scale some of these guys have going.
 
macsnax

macsnax

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eastcoastled said:
Only doing fems means they only intend to do fems. It is probably harder to get bugs than pollen cross contamination if these breeders are as diligent as you give them credit for. Not trying to start an argument, just pointing out the basics. Pollen is airborne, not as simple as washing and quarantining clones. In theory, never knowing bugs even exist in your garden is much more likely than never having a stray grain of pollen. This all is based on the thought that breeding fems exclusively is great, but that same breeder is obviously growing Regs also. I’ve had plenty of males get rootbound and drop pollen in veg off a lower branch way in the back and never noticed until it was too late. Iv’e has plenty of unintentional reg bag seeds, and I’m from from scale some of these guys have going.
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I get ya, and I don't doubt there is cross pollination happening on accident. If a bunch of males pop out of a fem line then someone screwed up, lol. But if one is reported on a line, this could very well be that anomaly. Seems more logical than assuming 1 tiny grain of stray pollen made it into someone's op, especially if they're not working reg lines.

And the reason I am vocal about it is last year a breeder was jumped on for males popping up in his gear, think it was cannarado. Anyway right after that another breeder, and I'm not joking had one male pop up in a line. And everyone was going off about poor breeding practices. I'm just stating that it is not always the case, there's a lot more speculation in that, IMO.
 
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Observe & Report

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You have to do a genetic test. If an XX plant doesn't produce ethylene for whatever reason then it will make staminate flowers. If people aren't having those "males" popping up in fem packs tested then it is indeed speculation as to what is going on.
 
macsnax

macsnax

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Observe & Report said:
You have to do a genetic test. If an XX plant doesn't produce ethylene for whatever reason then it will make staminate flowers. If people aren't having those "males" popping up in fem packs tested then it is indeed speculation as to what is going on.
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K bra, you're right and I'm wrong...... Feel better? I'm not here to argue. I like to learn and share info. If you can't accept the info idk what to tell ya.
 
Darkstar71

Darkstar71

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kona gold said:
Well, I had grabbed a pack of the roadkill Afghani S1's, and was vegging them, but unfortunately my grow was ruined by the lava flow we are having out here.
All I can say is, they were some of the best plants I had in veg!!!!
They all had a slight mutation, leaf variegation, like chem D, but grew super healthy.
Of the three I had going, one was skunky spicy, one was roadkill, and one was the most amazing smelling plant of all time!!!
The smell coming from the third one was the sweetest skunk bud period!! It was I identical to two strains from my past. One was the original kind bud, and the other was one of the best Hawaiian strains from Kaua'i.
When I say sweet skunk, I don't mean Amsterdam sweet skunk, I mean a sweet super dank skunk bud!!!
They were just out into flower when the lava hit us, so I am super bummed, because those were going to be some of the best medicine I might have come across in 20+ years!!!
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Did you pay $500 for a 6 pack of the Hierloom Afghani S1s cuz that's what he is charging now. Is the same strain you are referring to in your post? Just curious thanks for your time bra
 
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what's up with Riot? worst customer service I've ever experienced. I ordered 2 packs of RiotBerry V4 about 2 months ago and still haven't received my package. I emailed them about 10 times after about a month because my payment was sitting in their post office for over a week and i finally got a reply saying they will go get my payment. Once the picked it up they sent me a confirmation email and i haven't heard from them since. I email them every day just to pressure them and let them know this aint cool. still haven't got a tracking number or message about my package being shipped. Im saving all the emails and communication with them so i can blast them if i have to.
 
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