Foxtailing buds

[master420ofkush]

my buds are foxtaijng. i started to notice a few days ago. currently at day 64 of 12/12. breeder recommended 8+ weeks, whatever that means. so my main question is should i lower my light levels to prevent further foxtail formation?

 

[master420ofkush]

also i am confused with breeders reccomend. they say 8+ weeks but what does that mean? i would assume then it would be done then before 9 weeks correct? because if that was true wouldnt they have just said 9+ weeks?

 

[Budzbuddha]

Disregard breeder “ estimates “ .... your own grow environment, skill , and style of grow all dictate the real world result .
Most times it’s market hype or from highly “ controlled “ grows under optimal conditions.

Run til done ... that’s all you need to do.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Fox tails express for a number of reasons .... genetics , latent pheno trait , heat , too much light. , etc.

Not overly pretty , but all smokable. By checking off items like your environment, grow conditions might lead you to what may be “ your “ cause for it , but it happens from time to time anyways ( sativas ).

 

[master420ofkush]

Fox tails express for a number of reasons .... genetics , latent pheno trait , heat , too much light. , etc.

Not overly pretty , but all smokable. By checking off items like your environment, grow conditions might lead you to what may be “ your “ cause for it , but it happens from time to time anyways ( sativas ).

plant is getting 1000ppfd at center of plant. thats what im assuming is the cause. temps have been steady around 68-72 F RH 30-40%
anyways im going to harvest on monday. i looked at some trichs and the older calyxes definitely have amber on them and cloudy

 

[master420ofkush]

harvesting on monday puts me at 9.5 weeks of 12/12. i changed the lights though now to get approx 33-35DLI. im a believer that too high a DLI during the last weeks of flower will cause foxtails. my next plant will be from a more common strain that i can find information online about

 

[master420ofkush]

i like that some of the buds are so heavy they are falling over. just from first look dont you think they are finished though?

 

[master420ofkush]

most of the pistils are withered and receded back. the pistils you can see in the picture started to develop within the last 3 days

 

[master420ofkush]

@Budzbuddha is that good? hard to see the pistils but you kind of can see

 

[Gond00s]

I noticed foxtailing when I was around 82-84 I backed it to 79 now theirs no sign of stress so its possible but that's not really foxtailing in that pic looks like genetics

 

[master420ofkush]

I noticed foxtailing when I was around 82-84 I backed it to 79 now theirs no sign of stress so its possible but that's not really foxtailing in that pic looks like genetics

its definitely a new round of pistils regardless. the calyxes that i checked that had receded pistils have 75/25 couldy amber so im good to go

 

[Budzbuddha]

@Budzbuddha is that good? hard to see the pistils but you kind of can see

Look at all buds to determine “ average “ doneness .... it wouldn’t be a stretch to harvest the upper canopy buds and run the lowers to “ finish “ . Partial harvesting.

 

[Gond00s]

im harvesting pretty damn soon for my gdp coming down this weekend shes relying on the trellis so i think Its time for her to come down soon

 

[master420ofkush]

Look at all buds to determine “ average “ doneness .... it wouldn’t be a stretch to harvest the upper canopy buds and run the lowers to “ finish “ . Partial harvesting.

i dry the plant in the tent. i would have to hang in less than ideal conditions in order to harvest in stages. if i had a separate drying room or area i would definitely harvest in stages. i use the tent, a humidity controller, and the exhaust fan to dry inside the tent

 

[SheeshM]

I had foxtails on one of two strains in the same tent using the same nutrients. I suspect light intensity and possibly temp but I'm really not sure. I ran an HLG 550 v2 18" from tallest colas at 100%. Temps 80-82. It was my first grow with this light so I'll probably try backing down the power and raising the light a bit next time. My foxtails were a lot worse though, your buds look good but I see your point. New pistils late in the grow...

 

[SheeshM]

i dry the plant in the tent. i would have to hang in less than ideal conditions in order to harvest in stages. if i had a separate drying room or area i would definitely harvest in stages. i use the tent, a humidity controller, and the exhaust fan to dry inside the tent

I have the same problem, no where else to dry. I bought a uhaul wardrobe box to make a drying box but never used it. Always managed to chop all at once. No doubt there are advantages to a phased harvest though.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Look into brown bag drying .... easy way to slowly dry buds in permeable paper bags that can be stored in closet , under bed etc.
All without having to find a “ area “ to hang. Bags breathe and shutter light.

 

[master420ofkush]

Look into brown bag drying .... easy way to slowly dry buds in permeable paper bags that can be stored in closet , under bed etc.
All without having to find a “ area “ to hang. Bags breathe and shutter light.

i use a brown bag to dry. i have a process that works for my enviroment.
-hang dry each cola with all leaves intact
-after 2-3 days brown bag the colas with all leaves. (usually once the sugar leaves cradle the bud its ready for the brown bag)
-2-3 days in the brown bag then i trim and put into turkey bag to do a sweat of inner moisture
-turkey bag tied off for approx 8-12 hours
-open the turkey bag inside the brown bag and close for <10 hours
-jarred and ready for final dry and start of cure

why do i use the turkey bag? in my experience when i try to sweat the buds in jars, i get a mildewy ammonia type of smell. using the turkey bag allows a wider margin of humidity without worry of the bacteria smell. it works because it isnt 100% air tight, which prevents the anaerobic bacteria that cause the smell to not accumulate. nowadays i will not put buds into jars unless i am 100% sure they are dry enough to jar.

 

[master420ofkush]

i usually have buds in jars within 7-10 days from initial chop. usually after a week in the jar burping daily the buds have reached a perfect drying RH and will sit to begin a cure. i usually end up with RH of 60-62% when finally jarred.

 

[master420ofkush]

I had foxtails on one of two strains in the same tent using the same nutrients. I suspect light intensity and possibly temp but I'm really not sure. I ran an HLG 550 v2 18" from tallest colas at 100%. Temps 80-82. It was my first grow with this light so I'll probably try backing down the power and raising the light a bit next time. My foxtails were a lot worse though, your buds look good but I see your point. New pistils late in the grow...View attachment 4474137

i have hlg 260 rspec as a light. at recommended 18” for flower the middle of the canopy is at 1000-1050 ppfd. my hypothesis is that its too much light for late flower.
12/12 at 1000ppfd is approx 43 DLI which is too high for late flower. i am going to try and lower DLI sooner to approx 35 (800ppfd at 12/12) at week 7ish next run to try and prevent the foxtails.