Cans suck the THC buzz out of pot drinks. Where does that leave Canopy Growth? oh this is good lol

gb123

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Cannabis beverages and aluminum cans have a problematic relationship that could prove costly for licenced producers with drink production lines built for the ubiquitous metal containers. The devil is in the molecular details.

Scientists have determined that liners inside aluminum cans can cause cannabis drinks to lose their potency. That means by the time a pot drink is put in a can, shipped, stored in a warehouse, displayed in a store, and finally consumed, the buzz promised on the label may have diminished or disappeared.

Can manufacturers add the liners to prevent drinks from taking on a metallic taste, to reduce corrosion of the can, and to improve shelf stability. But when pot drinks are under pressure, the liner can attract tiny emulsified droplets of active cannabis ingredients like THC.

“Our theory is the cannabis material, the droplets, will stick to the liner and cling on it. When you open the can to take a drink, it will lose its potency,” Vertosa founder and chief science officer Harold Han told Yahoo Finance Canada in an interview.

Han holds a Ph.D in chemistry from NYU, and has authored two patents in emulsion chemistry. His California-based company works with cannabis-infused beverage makers to develop emulsion solutions to mitigate the effect of can liners leeching away cannabis compounds.

Oil, cannabis or otherwise, does not mix with water. Nanoemulsion helps solve that problem by breaking down oily compounds to a microscopic level so they can be suspended in a drink.

Cannabis beverages that use the technology have a faster effect compared to edibles. They also have high bioavailability, meaning the body will absorb a higher amount of the THC or CBD. However, pot drinks have yet to emerge as a major category, even though they’ve been available in U.S. states with legal recreational cannabis sales for some time.

Last year, Cowen cannabis and alcoholic beverage analyst Viven Azer told Yahoo Finance Canada the U.S. market for cannabis drinks is small, fragmented, and without a clear leader. That’s the case, she said, because early products in the United States got people stoned for too long, and lacked consistent intensity, onset, and offset for the high users feel.

In Canada, drinks were part of the swath of new “Cannabis 2.0” products authorized for sale last fall. So far, only a limited selection of items like infused tea bags have hit stores.

Deloitte estimates the Canadian market for cannabis-infused beverages will be worth $529 million annually, with one-in-three viewing the category as an alternative to alcohol.

Han said the problem of aluminum cans draining the potency out of pot drinks first came to his attention early last year when Lagunitas, a craft beer subsidiary of Heineken (HEIA.AS), shifted its Hi-Fi Hops cannabis drinks from cans to glass bottles.

“Then we thought, let’s get some can liners. Let’s test our emulsions. We had two at the time,” he said. “The loss was horrible.”

Vertosa has partnered with can manufactures including Ball (BLL), Ardagh Group (ARD) and Gamer Packaging to test solutions.

Han said it’s difficult for the can industry to alter linings to accommodate the relatively small cannabis drinks category, and pot drink producers prefer cans over bottles due to lower costs.

“It’s up to us to find the solution,” he said, admitting some active ingredients will always be absorbed by aluminum cans. “You will always see some percentage of loss. But as long as you can manage this loss and let it plateau, that is the goal.”

Canopy Growth (WEED.TO)(CGC) has been the most active in the drinks category among Canadian licenced producers, previewing an extensive line of THC and CBD drinks in late October, the vast majority packaged in cans.

Canopy Growth's cannabis drinks are expected to be ready for retail in mid-December 2019. (Yahoo Finance)

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Canopy Growth's cannabis drinks are expected to be ready for retail in mid-December 2019. (Yahoo Finance)
A number of other cannabis players have struck deals or formed joint ventures to produce beverages, including HEXO (HEXO.TO)(HEXO) and Tilray (TLRY). Canopy’s 125,000-square-foot beverage facility was constructed with a helping hand from its largest shareholder, beer and wine giant Constellation Brands (STZ).
 

alphapinene

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orrrrr you can just get rid of 'cannabis beverages' altogether and just do what NY's MMJ program (EtainHealth) does and just sell the dissolvable THC/CBD powder. So consumers can dose how ever high they want and in whatever liquid/drink they want.....the powder is formulated from isomalt or beet sugar and cannabis distillate + microencapsulated to become 'water soluble' or something, it's definetely not impossible (IDK the exact science) but it seems very promising.
 

gb123

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orrrrr you can just get rid of 'cannabis beverages' altogether and just do what NY's MMJ program (EtainHealth) does and just sell the dissolvable THC/CBD powder. So consumers can dose how ever high they want and in whatever liquid/drink they want.....the powder is formulated from isomalt or beet sugar and cannabis distillate + microencapsulated to become 'water soluble' or something, it's definetely not impossible (IDK the exact science) but it seems very promising.
promising ??

BWHAHAHAHA sell dude!:idea:
 

Freedom seed

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I put oil in my tea? Guess what it sticks to the side of the cup. :wall:

It helps if you put enough in that it doesn’t ALL stick to the side! :D

This nano particle bullshit is just that. I was googling to find the nanoparticle liver damage study to post here and found this newspaper article that is just as good.


They mention the glycosated cannabis preparations, bonded to sugar molecules. Sounds sweet though.

Who would have thought that cannabis oil would stick to plastic, eh? Haha haha. These guys are truly morons.
 

gb123

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I was watching an interview about an up and coming soft drink company ..
I was reading this article when he was explaining to the news chump how its gonna go. I doubt he realized this small point.....

same deal,,, with 10 mg drinks for people who dont like the smell and want another way?
..they fail to say that ingesting is nothing like smoking ..
but hey whats that matter eh?lol
 

mustbetribbin

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They should've known to use glass for the Cannabis drinks by now, then add a light proof layer on the outside, or use tented glass, and/or use boxes around each container.... I guess it's rocket science tho...:sleep::wink:

When they decide to stop treating use all like addicts/abuser's maybe then things will go their way, medical patient's deserve clean and contaminate free access to their/our medicine, I mean since when did every substance on Earth deserve the same exact treatment as any other, they should've known by now that certain controlled substances have exact affinities towards safe and proper treatment, did they not realize that they can't treat everything out there the same way they do with pills or alcohol and have things fall into place perfectly & occur as planned.... the fallout from this is somewhat deserved imo as they weren't being responsible towards safe delivery of people/patients and their medicine, in many ways this is a less than ideal representation of clean access to seriously ill patients and their medicine.

It's a shame they didn't figure this into their appropriations for success as a business and the liability of not holding the importance of the health of their customers/patient's into serious consideration before launching such unhealthy and contaminated product's for mass consumption, and without proper care.

Calling these beverage companies out the way these scientist did, was to me.. for the improvement of understanding things that are well deserving of being brought to light to all parties involved, only once respect and honorable consideration towards genuine cooperation as human beings is achieved, can true success be harnessed.
 

The Hippy

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Personally I feel they could put in whatever container works or doesn't work and it will still be the same flop. You can't get around shelf dates and codes. Everything codes out sooner or later. This will be the big hurt in the end.
But the other BIG fail will be lack of interest and therefore sales. I've been using cannabis since the 70's and have zero interest in edibles and especially drinks. Just not interested. I like my cannabis as most every concentrate. But those two categories have zero interest to me. Now I understand that's just me. But the thing is everyone I know like me feels the same. Very little interest. Certainly not enough to sustain an industry or a brand.
Of all the stuff you can do with a weed plant, edible's and beverages would be the LAST place I'd put any money.
I will concede that edible's are somewhat popular. But imo a small fringe segment.
 

mustbetribbin

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Personally I feel they could put in whatever container works or doesn't work and it will still be the same flop. You can't get around shelf dates and codes. Everything codes out sooner or later. This will be the big hurt in the end.
But the other BIG fail will be lack of interest and therefore sales. I've been using cannabis since the 70's and have zero interest in edibles and especially drinks. Just not interested. I like my cannabis as most every concentrate. But those two categories have zero interest to me. Now I understand that's just me. But the thing is everyone I know like me feels the same. Very little interest. Certainly not enough to sustain an industry or a brand.
Of all the stuff you can do with a weed plant, edible's and beverages would be the LAST place I'd put any money.
I will concede that edible's are somewhat popular. But imo a small fringe segment.
To be honest I haven't purchased a single product that is an edible or in liquid form as in 12oz soft drink and such, tinctures are another thing, but even with that I haven't made a recent purchase of recently either, so I do relate to what you've said, however speaking towards the people involved in that segment of the MMJ industry what good could be said about expending that amount of energy, Time & commitment into something if you've already allowed for yourself to be laden with pitfalls along your path, missed opportunities to improve and do better, offer a bit more care and concern into their craft and so forth.

Human beings deserve the right to have their reactions towards something detrimental to our lives and health highly valued, we have just as much rightful say on the matter as anyone, especially when you've got a topic at hand that borderlines on Animal Testing except on Human beings, many of those being seriously ill beforehand & searching for a safe/convenient product, it should've been tested vigorously beforehand to ensure that the final product would remain at an assured level of safety and potency, because we have to realize that if a reaction is occurring on the inside of these containers that's lowering the THC and cannabinoid content printed on the label, then we also are dealing with a separate byproduct reaction that is also taking place, which means that other leached alternate byproducts are going to be also found in the product as well, not healthy for anyone, and definitely not a worthy endeavour that any company could attempt to build any such legacy on.
 
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