Bernie Sanders 2020

[Padawanbater2]

He wasn't a senator the last 3 years? He wasn't in an election that was attacked by the Russian military?

Of course he was.

The attack is in open sourced documents like the Mueller report and the Bi-Partisan senate report, as well as the reports that investigated the Russians attack into our election that came out in 2017.

If you want to understand the attacks, feel free to look at the links in my sig, there is a lot of information to digest in there on the attacks they are perpetrating.

And the power of this propaganda is that everyone gets different attacks based on what they care about. I am sure if you showed us your email, we would be more than able to pick through it and find all sorts of propaganda you are being spammed with.

So the claim is all of these attacks are different specifically designed for the individual receiving them and they all influence different people differently depending on their beliefs and level of influence, and you don't see how that's un unverifiable claim? You're making a claim that can't be proven wrong. You're claiming the reason these ideas espoused by people like Sanders are becoming popularized now is because of Russian influence and propaganda being targeted at them. You don't know that, that's what you believe. You don't know that because there is no way to know that. The more reasonable explanation why people support social democratic ideas in America now is because they've not benefited from the capitalist utopian system libertarians and conservatives support, they see better ways of doing things in other countries that have already implemented these ideas successfully in their societies.

 

[hanimmal]

So the claim is all of these attacks are different specifically designed for the individual receiving them and they all influence different people differently depending on their beliefs and level of influence, and you don't see how that's un unverifiable claim? You're making a claim that can't be proven wrong. You're claiming the reason these ideas espoused by people like Sanders are becoming popularized now is because of Russian influence and propaganda being targeted at them. You don't know that, that's what you believe. You don't know that because there is no way to know that. The more reasonable explanation why people support social democratic ideas in America now is because they've not benefited from the capitalist utopian system libertarians and conservatives support, they see better ways of doing things in other countries that have already implemented these ideas successfully in their societies.

It is verifiable, just watch this:

And that is just one company 4 years ago. If you are what you seem to be, wake up and educate yourself on how powerful tools on the internet are now.

 

[Padawanbater2]

OK, how would you prove that people support social democratic policies because they were influenced by Russian propaganda and not because capitalism hasn't worked out for them and they see better ways of doing things in other countries that have implemented them?

 

[Fogdog]

LOL

Padawanbaterlogic2

 

[schuylaar]

Pandemic on the way. Stock tip. Face masks. I'm smart.... dam

Holy s*** you got that right I went and grabbed some masks that are free at work and they're all gone with a note that's rationing them this is just changed from yesterday.

All they had to do was mention one person no connection to the others.

One interesting fact seems to be that children aren't affected.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The Establishment v Bernie Sanders, Coronavirus & the Stock Market | The Common Good w/ Robert Reich

 

[UncleBuck]

Al Sharpton and the black community know exactly what you're doing, he's reminding you black people are not stupid enough, as you seem to believe they are, to buy your red baiting. They did the exact same thing to Dr. King during the civil rights movement to try to discredit him. You can't win on policy because the people support social democracy, so all you have left is old tired smear tactics that haven't changed in 50 years.

It’s not red baiting

Bernie actually is getting help from Putin

 

[dandyrandy]

You got to back both sides...

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

It is verifiable, just watch this:

And that is just one company 4 years ago. If you are what you seem to be, wake up and educate yourself on how powerful tools on the internet are now.

Here's a small example of the many companies selling big data and how much this simple database query can uncover. Far more custom applications using stolen or purchased data can do amazing things like compile a list of targets and feed it to a bot network or an army of trolls. Russians using this kind of software can target swing states and intrude on the debate about policy or in elections. Persuasion in the internet age where borders can dissolve in cyberspace, the Russians have been doing disinformation forever, the internet put it on steroids and in your face.

Type in a name or your own if you don't mind coughing up your email address, they probably have it anyway. No teacher like experience.

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[hanimmal]

Here's a small example of the many companies selling big data and how much this simple database query can uncover. Far more custom applications using stolen or purchased data can do amazing things like compile a list of targets and feed it to a bot network or an army of trolls. Russians using this kind of software can target swing states and intrude on the debate about policy or in elections. Persuasion in the internet age where borders can dissolve in cyberspace, the Russians have been doing disinformation forever, the internet put it on steroids and in your face.

Type in a name or your own if you don't mind coughing up your email address, they probably have it anyway. No teacher like experience.

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Think more sinister.

The Russians knowing who they have data on, can simply just download a virus on your devices to collect all your data and sort it to the correct file and have a continuous AI spit out what should be sent to you based on the districts you vote in to nudge you to vote for who they chose based on everything you do online.

They can even have cross tabs with people you interact with in real life to set you up to fight with each other by feeding conflicting information and having their trolls attack each other with the language they want to teach you to use when confronted with a specific 'phrase'.

The possibilities are endless if your only desire is to tear a society down and you don't care how you do it with todays tools.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Think more sinister.

The Russians knowing who they have data on, can simply just download a virus on your devices to collect all your data and sort it to the correct file and have a continuous AI spit out what should be sent to you based on the districts you vote in to nudge you to vote for who they chose based on everything you do online.

They can even have cross tabs with people you interact with in real life to set you up to fight with each other by feeding conflicting information and having their trolls attack each other with the language they want to teach you to use when confronted with a specific 'phrase'.

The possibilities are endless if your only desire is to tear a society down and you don't care how you do it with todays tools.

It's possible, but I don't think the Russians have it operational on a large scale, brad parscale seems more a threat, though he has help! This assumes the situation is not dynamic, but it is very dynamic, for instance I recently tried to make an account on facebook for a local meditation group but got kicked off for security, can't get back on, they deleted billions of accounts. This is a small fraction of the actions being taken by companies industry wide, they fear looming regulation too. Even with a crippled government response, the folks on the ground are still acting, even without leadership from the top, NATO will be active in this too, no brainer. The cumulative effect will hopefully make for a very unstable operational environment this fall for the russians, Cambridge analytica has been busted and I don't think they are a player this time around. Hopefully you'll squeak through and if you do, all this shit will be addressed.

The main problems this time around are with Donald abusing his office to cheat on the election, it's not like he hasn't been caught, several times already for fuck sake! The russians will be there too, they never went away, hopefully they will be a bit crippled this time around.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Think more sinister.

The Russians knowing who they have data on, can simply just download a virus on your devices to collect all your data and sort it to the correct file and have a continuous AI spit out what should be sent to you based on the districts you vote in to nudge you to vote for who they chose based on everything you do online.

They can even have cross tabs with people you interact with in real life to set you up to fight with each other by feeding conflicting information and having their trolls attack each other with the language they want to teach you to use when confronted with a specific 'phrase'.

The possibilities are endless if your only desire is to tear a society down and you don't care how you do it with todays tools.

OK, how would you prove that people support social democratic policies because they were influenced by Russian propaganda and not because capitalism hasn't worked out for them and they see better ways of doing things in other countries that have implemented them?

You gonna dodge this question? You said you could prove it, how would you prove it?

 

[hanimmal]

You gonna dodge this question? You said you could prove it, how would you prove it?

You just making shit up? Id love to see where I said I could prove it.

I think it would have to be some sort of multivariate analysis examining the difference between some sort of scoring between the number of mentions, intensity of language, and type of language used towards different political key words and how they changed over time. Then that would have to feed into a much larger program looking at how this changed for people over time when compared to what propaganda they have looked at.

It would take a serious data set that I don't have access to, and computational power that I would love to tie up doing something like this.

At the end of the day I could explain it better with a series of partial differential equations. And even that once everything is computed would give a confidence range that if you look over at the flat earth thread, would still be ignored for a nuh-uh.

Anyways, now that you see Bernie has said the Russians are attack our citizens, do you finally admit it is a big problem?

 

[abandonconflict]

Bernie is unelectable. He had a heart attack mere weeks ago and he'll be 79 by inauguration day. The chances he'll make it through 4 years are statistically extremely low. No wonder Putin is putting his entire military propaganda machine to work supporting him. The only reason he's even catching on is that he offers so much free shit that the senate will never approve anyway.

 

[Padawanbater2]

It would take a serious data set that I don't have access to

Yet you continue to make the claim, interesting

How about the active role, if any, Sanders or his campaign played while they received help from Russia?

 

[hanimmal]

Yet you continue to make the claim, interesting

How about the active role, if any, Sanders or his campaign played while they received help from Russia?

A claim that you are making up? Why not find this claim I made?

Or are you going to try the 'make me chase my tail troll' by just saying one ridiculous claim and saying prove it after another. Because what you do is easy, I can play the troll game too but chose not to do that. It is much harder to troll you trolls, because it requires the truth and facts, and not just the endless links to nonsense.

So anyways, you finally accepting the reality that Russia is currently attacking our democracy through minority communities by pumping them nonstop with fear-based propaganda? Because you quoted Bernie saying it, and that is who you support right?

 

[abandonconflict]

A claim that you are making up? Why not find this claim I made?

Or are you going to try the 'make me chase my tail troll' by just saying one ridiculous claim and saying prove it after another. Because what you do is easy, I can play the troll game too but chose not to do that. It is much harder to troll you trolls, because it requires the truth and facts, and not just the endless links to nonsense.

So anyways, you finally accepting the reality that Russia is currently attacking our democracy through minority communities by pumping them nonstop with fear-based propaganda? Because you quoted Bernie saying it, and that is who you support right?

This is what he does when he has no argument. First he denied Russia was helping Sanders. Then he basically said ok, Russia is helping Sanders, but so what? Then he says Russia shouldn't help Sanders because Sanders is opposed to Russian help, even though he does benefit greatly from it. Then he'll cite polls showing Sanders support which is largely propped up by Russian support

When the Russian turn around and hammer him, Padaraper will go back to denying it and seek vindication as if you were wrong all along when you were actually saying all along that was their plan.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Here's what a Sanders-Trump map could look like

Here's what a Sanders-Trump map could look like

With Bernie Sanders looking more and more like the potential Democratic presidential nominee, the good people at the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia have released their first take on what the electoral map might look like in a matchup between the senator from Vermont and...

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Washington (CNN)With Bernie Sanders looking more and more like the potential Democratic presidential nominee, the good people at the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia have released their first take on what the electoral map might look like in a matchup between the senator from Vermont and President Donald Trump.

The map allots 260 electoral votes to Trump, 248 to Sanders and puts 30 in the pure toss-up category.
"In our view, we think a Sanders nomination would tilt the election more toward Trump, to the point where the ratings would reflect him as something of a favorite," write Kyle Kondik and J. Miles Coleman of the map. "However, we would not put Trump over 270 electoral votes in our ratings, at least not initially and based on the information we have now."

How does that compare with the current Center for Politics map featuring a race between an unknown Democrat and Trump? That map produces 248 electoral votes for each side, with 42 in the pure toss-up category.


The changes from that generic map to the Sanders map? Arizona, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Texas and Virginia, as well as Nebraska's 2nd District (Nebraska gives out electoral votes to the popular vote winner of each of its congressional seats), all move in Republicans' direction.

Explain Kondik and Coleman:
"What we're doing here is giving the Republicans a boost in places where recent Democratic gains have been fueled by growth in affluent, highly-educated suburbs. Sanders may ultimately replicate Hillary Clinton's numbers in places like metro Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, and Phoenix. Still, there are reasons to believe that his left-wing economic and governing philosophy, particularly as contrasted with many Americans' positive views of the economy, may cost the Democrats some support in these places."

This is -- obviously -- a very early look at a general election fight that could go in one of a thousand ways, particularly with the coronavirus outbreak already disrupting the world economy and threatening to spread across the globe.
And of course, a first-look map at a general election matchup between Trump and Hillary Clinton in 2016 would almost certainly have shown a strong advantage to the former secretary of state. We know how that turned out.

 

[Padawanbater2]

A claim that you are making up? Why not find this claim I made?

Or are you going to try the 'make me chase my tail troll' by just saying one ridiculous claim and saying prove it after another. Because what you do is easy, I can play the troll game too but chose not to do that. It is much harder to troll you trolls, because it requires the truth and facts, and not just the endless links to nonsense.

So anyways, you finally accepting the reality that Russia is currently attacking our democracy through minority communities by pumping them nonstop with fear-based propaganda? Because you quoted Bernie saying it, and that is who you support right?

You made an unverifiable claim; people like social democratic policies because of Russian propaganda, not because they actually support them and support Sanders' platform

You claimed it's not unverifiable, all you'd have to do is use a set of data that you don't have access to to prove it! You currently don't have access to said set of data you would need to prove your claim, yet you continue to make it

Your claim that "Russia is helping Sanders" relies on this set of data you don't have access to to verify it, therefore, until you do have access to it, and you provide it here, it remains unverified