Surprised to see Hlg slumming it.

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christopher jordan

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I saw a video where this guy Nate was coming off like a douche, perpetuating the myth that china uses inferior diodes. Hlg components are manufactured in China and Vietnam, like everything else. They dragged spider farmer in to a third party tester,why? Because there isn't much difference in my opinion. High quality red diodes and a decent dimmer. The truth about Hlg is there is a nasty hot spot in the middle, and their diode spread is inefficient. I would rather see them innovate instead of fighting with spider farmer. 2020 is the year of the bar light. What have they really come up with lately? Nate is a shill who gets lights for reviewers,who's made millions in the grow game sourcing grow equipment.Cool?
 
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end_of_the_tunnel

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christopher jordan said:
I saw a video where this guy Nate was coming off like a douche, perpetuating the myth that china uses inferior diodes. Hlg components are manufactured in China and Vietnam, like everything else. They dragged spider farmer in to a third party tester,why? Because there isn't much difference in my opinion. High quality red diodes and a decent dimmer. The truth about Hlg is there is a nasty hot spot in the middle, and their diode spread is inefficient. I would rather see them innovate instead of fighting with spider farmer. 2020 is the year of the bar light. What have they really come up with lately? Nate is a shill who gets lights for reviewers,who's made millions in the grow game sourcing grow equipment.Cool?
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Christopher, respectfully, I don't see the need to call that Nate guy names. Growers House is obviously doing very well out of selling the product. And thats what he is doing in the video. Selling the product.

You want to be surprised? Couple months back and couldn't find a youtube review I knew I'd seen. Turns out AlboPepper had to take it down because someone objected to him using the Trademarked term "quantum board". Go watch the reposted video, it gets interesting near the end when he shows an email offering him Trademarked lights for review. The email even mentions how much sales they making. Big dollar. Surprised no one mentioned that video or discussed the content, here on Rollitup.

The HLG 550 Rspec V2 is only 169lm/w. I've browsed HLG's site often, but never looked at their data sheets, until that one flashed up in the Growers House video. Maybe the 550 should be run lower for improved efficacy, but then you would need more of them for a given area.

If I buy a fixture for 849.00, I want to know that it will have longevity. But Light Laboratory Inc state that ambient temperature is "set" at 25ºC.
How about actually placing 4 thermocouples on the back, directly over the centre mass of each group of diodes, and documenting a log of that in the datasheet? Isn't this the type of information users need?

And if Light Laboratory Inc is going to produce data sheets for hobby or professional horticultural lighting, how about actually giving data that growers can use.
Like stating the radiometric output ratio of different ranges of nm. Blue, green, red, and red versus far red. Now thats a spec sheet.
 
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christopher jordan

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end_of_the_tunnel said:
Christopher, respectfully, I don't see the need to call that Nate guy names. Growers House is obviously doing very well out of selling the product. And thats what he is doing in the video. Selling the product.

You want to be surprised? Couple months back and couldn't find a youtube review I knew I'd seen. Turns out AlboPepper had to take it down because someone objected to him using the Trademarked term "quantum board". Go watch the reposted video, it gets interesting near the end when he shows an email offering him Trademarked lights for review. The email even mentions how much sales they making. Big dollar. Surprised no one mentioned that video or discussed the content, here on Rollitup.

The HLG 550 Rspec V2 is only 169lm/w. I've browsed HLG's site often, but never looked at their data sheets, until that one flashed up in the Growers House video. Maybe the 550 should be run lower for improved efficacy, but then you would need more of them for a given area.

If I buy a fixture for 849.00, I want to know that it will have longevity. But Light Laboratory Inc state that ambient temperature is "set" at 25ºC.
How about actually placing 4 thermocouples on the back, directly over the centre mass of each group of diodes, and documenting a log of that in the datasheet? Isn't this the type of information users need?

And if Light Laboratory Inc is going to produce data sheets for hobby or professional horticultural lighting, how about actually giving data that growers can use.
Like stating the radiometric output ratio of different ranges of nm. Blue, green, red, and red versus far red. Now thats a spec sheet.
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Hey I'm not surprised Nate's throwing shade to make a buck. I'd probably be more surprised if he wasn't. I do think it sucks to push a laundry list, to uninformed consumers under false pretenses. The guy is a shill, who is pushing bro science for a dollar.
 
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end_of_the_tunnel

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christopher jordan said:
Hey I'm not surprised Nate's throwing shade to make a buck. I'd probably be more surprised if he wasn't. I do think it sucks to push a laundry list, to uninformed consumers under false pretenses. The guy is a shill, who is pushing bro science for a dollar.
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I get what you are saying, 100%. Its down to business culture and ethics. Its a funny thing, long time ago, I overheard the head of a group of pharmaceutical sales reps, tell his salespeople. "Never put down the oppositions product, instead damn them with faint praise backed by fact."
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
christopher jordan said:
I saw a video where this guy Nate was coming off like a douche, perpetuating the myth that china uses inferior diodes. Hlg components are manufactured in China and Vietnam, like everything else. They dragged spider farmer in to a third party tester,why? Because there isn't much difference in my opinion. High quality red diodes and a decent dimmer. The truth about Hlg is there is a nasty hot spot in the middle, and their diode spread is inefficient. I would rather see them innovate instead of fighting with spider farmer. 2020 is the year of the bar light. What have they really come up with lately? Nate is a shill who gets lights for reviewers,who's made millions in the grow game sourcing grow equipment.Cool?
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Al about the Bar-light with enhanced/full spectrum & beafy thermal mngmt fot longevity & efficiency. These run significantly cooler the most other popular bar lights. And have x3 well spaced doides strips in each bar. 2.7 umol/j , 900w capable. Fully detachable w/ sturdy pivots & aliding Bars & 3"x2". Fully gasgeted ip66 glass .
Oslon ssl or SQ, Samsung 301b. Full spectrum.
1.66/w.
Bars are moving up quick !
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end_of_the_tunnel

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hybridway2 said:
Al about the Bar-light with enhanced/full spectrum & beafy thermal mngmt fot longevity & efficiency. These run significantly cooler the most other popular bar lights. And have x3 well spaced doides strips in each bar. 2.7 umol/j , 900w capable. Fully detachable w/ sturdy pivots & aliding Bars & 3"x2". Fully gasgeted ip66 glass .
Oslon ssl or SQ, Samsung 301b. Full spectrum.
1.66/w.
Bars are moving up quick !
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Smellovision please.
 
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sethimus

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hybridway2 said:
Al about the Bar-light with enhanced/full spectrum & beafy thermal mngmt fot longevity & efficiency. These run significantly cooler the most other popular bar lights. And have x3 well spaced doides strips in each bar. 2.7 umol/j , 900w capable. Fully detachable w/ sturdy pivots & aliding Bars & 3"x2". Fully gasgeted ip66 glass .
Oslon ssl or SQ, Samsung 301b. Full spectrum.
1.66/w.
Bars are moving up quick !
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yet another offtopic sponsored shill post to deflect from the original topic
 
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PhatNuggz

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I'll ignore sethimus as at the end of the day, people looking at either of these lights are looking for knowledge

Hybrid knows my first serious LED was a SPYDR 600 from then BML (now Fluence). Unlike the lights he was selling @ $1000 for veg and flower, In 2014, I approached him with my idea to make one light for both. It would be a mixture of spectrums (CW/NW/WW)+ specific nms (450, 630-640) to enhance specific plant development cycles. I wanted 2 bars for veg and 4 bars for flower (on separate o/o switches). Production couldn't account for that, instead I got 6 identical bars. 660 diodes weren't stable back the, so I went with 630-640

Amare knows that light well, as when I started a thread with it, he began chiming in. It's great to see him get behind bars LOL

Bars allow evaporation to rise between them AND are easier to cool. SF boards are coated with silicone, plus, they follow my own mixed spectrum idea 6 years ago

IMHO, the Bar 6 will ROCK, but for smaller growers conceptually, I prefer the SF. I would consider 2 SF 2000s which provides space in between for a flower enhancing bar of some kind

hth
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
sethimus said:
yet another offtopic sponsored shill post to deflect from the original topic
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Really? And what was the topic again? Cuzin my post i responded to this comment by Christopher Jordan:
" I would rather see them innovate instead of fighting with spider farmer. 2020 is the year of the bar light."
What better Bar light is their to discuss?
Pls dont jump to conclusions about me filled with Hate. You n i are doing well these past 2 yrs. Pls Accept that I'm a firm believer in what i say, that i will always share the truth & my experiences.
Not here to Shill or Shag bra. Only to be informative & learn.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
PhatNuggz said:
I'll ignore sethimus as at the end of the day, people looking at either of these lights are looking for knowledge

Hybrid knows my first serious LED was a SPYDR 600 from then BML (now Fluence). Unlike the lights he was selling @ $1000 for veg and flower, In 2014, I approached him with my idea to make one light for both. It would be a mixture of spectrums (CW/NW/WW)+ specific nms (450, 630-640) to enhance specific plant development cycles. I wanted 2 bars for veg and 4 bars for flower (on separate o/o switches). Production couldn't account for that, instead I got 6 identical bars. 660 diodes weren't stable back the, so I went with 630-640

Amare knows that light well, as when I started a thread with it, he began chiming in. It's great to see him get behind bars LOL

Bars allow evaporation to rise between them AND are easier to cool. SF boards are coated with silicone, plus, they follow my own mixed spectrum idea 6 years ago

IMHO, the Bar 6 will ROCK, but for smaller growers conceptually, I prefer the SF. I would consider 2 SF 2000s which provides space in between for a flower enhancing bar of some kind

hth
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Hold on, did you hit your head?
No offense but have you forgotten Everything you've learned?
Oh my my my.
 
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sethimus

Well-Known Member
hybridway2 said:
Really? And what was the topic again? Cuzin my post i responded to this comment by Christopher Jordan:
" I would rather see them innovate instead of fighting with spider farmer. 2020 is the year of the bar light."
What better Bar light is their to discuss?
Pls dont jump to conclusions about me filled with Hate. You n i are doing well these past 2 yrs. Pls Accept that I'm a firm believer in what i say, that i will always share the truth & my experiences.
Not here to Shill or Shag bra. Only to be informative & learn.
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you are constantly peddling your lights in topics originally dedicated to other lights. it gets tiring.
 
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